New Quando
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Unfortunately they give no information, but I recognise the parts bin battery as a Chinese type, though they claim it's a European bike. There's no shortage of bikes like this of course, models from Synergie, Wisper and Powacycle being similar.
Of course it's not a Quando and I hope they have second thoughts about stealing someone else's model name. This is a new low in the behaviour surrounding the recent acrimonious split.
P.S. I see the spec has now appeared, and it's assembled in Europe, rather than made there. I thought I recognised much that was Chinese about it.
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Of course it's not a Quando and I hope they have second thoughts about stealing someone else's model name. This is a new low in the behaviour surrounding the recent acrimonious split.
P.S. I see the spec has now appeared, and it's assembled in Europe, rather than made there. I thought I recognised much that was Chinese about it.
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what about the 24volt battery, isnt that a step down from the old 36 volt ?.. as i notice it says about 25 miles assisted, the Quando 36 volt did 22 power alone..
I've not let myself get dragged into the various bits of unpleasantness that have arisen over 50 Cycles and Ezee from time to time, but this apparent outright theft of someone else's well-known and established product name is absolutely despicable behaviour, in my view.
Quite apart from anything else, this is against the law. What 50 Cycles seem to be doing is what is known in the trade as "passing off", unless they have permission from Ezee to use their established product name (which I doubt).
Rather than rant any more on here I shall simply write to the Trading Standards dept nearest them, with forensically approved snapshots of their current web page as evidence of passing off.
Before anyone takes a pop at me for doing this, I should point out that I have not once had any dealings with either 50 Cycles or Ezee. I have been motivated to act purely because I feel extremely strongly about this sort of theft of intellectual property and trade name - it happened to me years ago as it happens, by a company as unscrupulous as 50 Cycles seem to be, and cost me a pretty penny.
Why can't 50 Cycles just trade with honour and dignity instead of having to sink to this sort of level?
I'm not going to respond further on this thread, unless it's to retract the above should evidence of lawful use be provided.
Jeremy
Quite apart from anything else, this is against the law. What 50 Cycles seem to be doing is what is known in the trade as "passing off", unless they have permission from Ezee to use their established product name (which I doubt).
Rather than rant any more on here I shall simply write to the Trading Standards dept nearest them, with forensically approved snapshots of their current web page as evidence of passing off.
Before anyone takes a pop at me for doing this, I should point out that I have not once had any dealings with either 50 Cycles or Ezee. I have been motivated to act purely because I feel extremely strongly about this sort of theft of intellectual property and trade name - it happened to me years ago as it happens, by a company as unscrupulous as 50 Cycles seem to be, and cost me a pretty penny.
Why can't 50 Cycles just trade with honour and dignity instead of having to sink to this sort of level?
I'm not going to respond further on this thread, unless it's to retract the above should evidence of lawful use be provided.
Jeremy
Tim
I think you are on thin ice with this one. whether its legal or not is not the issue. its not cricket and its incredibly ironic given that your company rubbished chinese hub motor bikes as something the public didnt want. Nice to see where your morals lie when you think there's a quid in it.
I think you are on thin ice with this one. whether its legal or not is not the issue. its not cricket and its incredibly ironic given that your company rubbished chinese hub motor bikes as something the public didnt want. Nice to see where your morals lie when you think there's a quid in it.
Tim
The quality of the bike is irrelevant.
Others misbehaviour is irrelevant.
Whether the name is registered or not is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that using another's name and passing off opinions of other's bikes as connected in some way is despicable and in part criminal. That makes the person(s) doing this criminals and contemptible.
If you do not back down on this and change that name, I will remove all Quando references and Kalkhoff review etc from my websites and I will never recommend any product you market.
I will also warn all prospective customers of your behaviour in this matter and acquaint them with the list of products you've adopted in the past and then abandoned.
I hope that even at this late hour, you and Scott will do the decent thing.
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The quality of the bike is irrelevant.
Others misbehaviour is irrelevant.
Whether the name is registered or not is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that using another's name and passing off opinions of other's bikes as connected in some way is despicable and in part criminal. That makes the person(s) doing this criminals and contemptible.
If you do not back down on this and change that name, I will remove all Quando references and Kalkhoff review etc from my websites and I will never recommend any product you market.
I will also warn all prospective customers of your behaviour in this matter and acquaint them with the list of products you've adopted in the past and then abandoned.
I hope that even at this late hour, you and Scott will do the decent thing.
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Rather than threaten I've just acted. A full report, including forensically approved copies of both the 50 Cycles web site and that of Cyclepoint is now with Trading Standards.
To clarify a point of law that is often misunderstood, it is normally the manufacturer who owns the rights to a product name, not the dealer, unless some specific legal agreement changing this has been entered into. It is not necessary in law to have registered a product name as a Trademark in order to receive a degree of protection in law, either.
In this particular case, there is not a Trademark dispute, as far as I am aware, in existence between any of the parties involved, so this is, perhaps, a moot point at this time. This matter, as it stands at the moment, is simply one of deception, which, as you rightly point out, Flecc, is a criminal offence. The penalties for deception can be somewhat more severe than they are for a Trademark infringement, oddly enough, as the law takes a particularly dim view of it.
I am sure the relevant authorities will resolve it in due course without the need of further acrimonious debate on here.
Jeremy
To clarify a point of law that is often misunderstood, it is normally the manufacturer who owns the rights to a product name, not the dealer, unless some specific legal agreement changing this has been entered into. It is not necessary in law to have registered a product name as a Trademark in order to receive a degree of protection in law, either.
In this particular case, there is not a Trademark dispute, as far as I am aware, in existence between any of the parties involved, so this is, perhaps, a moot point at this time. This matter, as it stands at the moment, is simply one of deception, which, as you rightly point out, Flecc, is a criminal offence. The penalties for deception can be somewhat more severe than they are for a Trademark infringement, oddly enough, as the law takes a particularly dim view of it.
I am sure the relevant authorities will resolve it in due course without the need of further acrimonious debate on here.
Jeremy
It is simply a tool that allows me to take a precise image of a website, or other form of electronic data, extracted with an approved software package that prevents any changes being made during the copy process. It's primary use is for the provision of evidence in court, as it allows copies to be made of evidence that could otherwise have been subjected to electronic tampering. A part of my job is to appear from time to time as an expert witness. Being able to provide forensic evidence to support my opinion in court is part and parcel of this job.
Jeremy
Jeremy
The issue being discussed here is simply one of advertising deception in the UK, as far as I can see, not the broader issue of misuse of copyrighted material in other countries (although I deplore that in the same way as the topic being discussed here).
I am sure that your acrimonious relationship with eZee has caused you significant personal annoyance, but pointing out that others have used copyrighted material without permission does not give you carte blanche to deliberately deceive British consumers, nor will it form an admissible defence should you find yourself accused of passing off.
As I mentioned originally, I was personally affected by an unscrupulous individual who copied a product design from me and marketed it without my permission (even going so far as to use my name in his sales pitch as an endorsement). It is for this reason, and this reason alone, that I feel so strongly about this particular issue.
Possibly I'm a little unusual, but I would gladly pay more to deal with an honourable and honest company that I can trust. I go out of my way not to deal with, or recommend, any company or individual who misrepresents his/her products, on a point of principle.
Jeremy
I am sure that your acrimonious relationship with eZee has caused you significant personal annoyance, but pointing out that others have used copyrighted material without permission does not give you carte blanche to deliberately deceive British consumers, nor will it form an admissible defence should you find yourself accused of passing off.
As I mentioned originally, I was personally affected by an unscrupulous individual who copied a product design from me and marketed it without my permission (even going so far as to use my name in his sales pitch as an endorsement). It is for this reason, and this reason alone, that I feel so strongly about this particular issue.
Possibly I'm a little unusual, but I would gladly pay more to deal with an honourable and honest company that I can trust. I go out of my way not to deal with, or recommend, any company or individual who misrepresents his/her products, on a point of principle.
Jeremy
Not completely unusual Jeremy, since I share your principles and am prepared to pay for them. I suspect there are more of us than might be commonly assumed.
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Running down products that you have previously sold,appears petty and vindictive and i am sure it could put potential customers off,i certainly dont think it will be of any help to your company,but may be of help to others.
The infantile defence that an immoral action is justified by the immoral actions of others is revealing to say the least. And in this case there is simply no comparison between nicking a couple of photographs (undoubtedly wrong) and attempting to extract money from people by fraudulently appropriating the good name and quality of other people and their work.
At least under the threat of Flecc's wrath and of legal action, 50cycles have partially retracted their deception - although there is still a bit of cleaning up of that disgraceful webpage yet to be completed. It is right that trading standards should be aware, if only to build up a bigger picture lest the ongoing disregard for decency that has characterised this company over the past few years continues.
At least under the threat of Flecc's wrath and of legal action, 50cycles have partially retracted their deception - although there is still a bit of cleaning up of that disgraceful webpage yet to be completed. It is right that trading standards should be aware, if only to build up a bigger picture lest the ongoing disregard for decency that has characterised this company over the past few years continues.
To Scott and Tim
Guys you've are doing a wrong here. Obviously you have a beef with Ezee, but misleading potential buyers of Quandos, based on the name the BIKE has to sell something that is not the same isnt right.
To have a go at Ezee is one thing, to completely mislead the buyers is another. Do you guys remember why your in this business? What was your orignal reasoning? I doubt that either of you ever intended to mislead people in order to sell electric bikes did you? Why not sell a "Gigantic Twist Lafree", that names not taken.
John
Guys you've are doing a wrong here. Obviously you have a beef with Ezee, but misleading potential buyers of Quandos, based on the name the BIKE has to sell something that is not the same isnt right.
To have a go at Ezee is one thing, to completely mislead the buyers is another. Do you guys remember why your in this business? What was your orignal reasoning? I doubt that either of you ever intended to mislead people in order to sell electric bikes did you? Why not sell a "Gigantic Twist Lafree", that names not taken.
John
Of course it was deception Scott, the page carried customer comments on the eZee Quando to promote a different bike.
Two or more wrongs never make a right, and other's misbehaviour is no excuse to so the same.
The first silly thing is that the product is quite decent and could easily sell without using someone else's product name, as I trust will happen now under it's new name.
The second silly thing is that you've lost a sale for an Agattu, someone mailing me so disgusted with what you've done that he will not buy from you as intended.
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Two or more wrongs never make a right, and other's misbehaviour is no excuse to so the same.
The first silly thing is that the product is quite decent and could easily sell without using someone else's product name, as I trust will happen now under it's new name.
The second silly thing is that you've lost a sale for an Agattu, someone mailing me so disgusted with what you've done that he will not buy from you as intended.
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Bikes very similar to this often sell for below £500 on ebay,people may be willing to pay more from a reputable buyer,if they can find one.
Scott,
If you think we are taking things too seriously you have badly misjudged
the reaction of members of this forum. I, and, I suspect many others
are appalled at your irresponsible actions and arrogant attitude.
Richard
If you think we are taking things too seriously you have badly misjudged
the reaction of members of this forum. I, and, I suspect many others
are appalled at your irresponsible actions and arrogant attitude.
Richard
50 Cycles reputation
Scott, Tim
I bought a bike from you and was impressed by the product and the service
I have not been impressed by anything else I have read about or by my own recent dealings with your company but I have kept this to myself.
I suggest you re-read the thread and reconsider your stated position on this matter.
I don't think you can afford to (or really want to) alienate your readers. We all want you to rise above the recriminations of the past and move forwards.
Conal
Scott, Tim
I bought a bike from you and was impressed by the product and the service
I have not been impressed by anything else I have read about or by my own recent dealings with your company but I have kept this to myself.
I suggest you re-read the thread and reconsider your stated position on this matter.
I don't think you can afford to (or really want to) alienate your readers. We all want you to rise above the recriminations of the past and move forwards.
Conal
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50cycles
Your stupid actions and arrogance are appalling. I will never, EVER, buy anything from you and I hope others do likewise.
You’ve done your business a lot of damage on this forum. I feel really sorry for your competitors though because actions like yours illustrate how immature the e-bike business is.
Technology is changing quickly in this market and customers need a supplier they can rely on to provide a decent product and support. That ain’t you chaps.
Thanks to Jeremy and Flecc for trying to bring some common sense to this market.
50cycles
Your stupid actions and arrogance are appalling. I will never, EVER, buy anything from you and I hope others do likewise.
You’ve done your business a lot of damage on this forum. I feel really sorry for your competitors though because actions like yours illustrate how immature the e-bike business is.
Technology is changing quickly in this market and customers need a supplier they can rely on to provide a decent product and support. That ain’t you chaps.
Thanks to Jeremy and Flecc for trying to bring some common sense to this market.
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