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Tiberius

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Nov 9, 2007
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Hi All,

I have for a while been thinking of building myself another ebike. I want to try to get both better hill climbing ability and better top speed than the Torq, and building rather than buying seems the obvious way to do it. And of course it would need a on-road/off-road switch.

I was trying to work out what bike to start with - debating between a fast road racer type and a MTB - but in the end I decided to get what was most different from what I've already got. So I've just got this..



Its a 26" wheel and I want a rear hub motor system. Its as much an experiment as anything, and by choosing 26" I get something that could be transferred to another bike later.

Now the technical bit. I was planning on a Crystalyte motor, and that would certainly do the job. But if I work out what I need in the way of controller, battery voltage and current to make a Crystalyte in a 26" wheel climb hills, then its so much that it would do over 40 mph on the flat.

The Crystalyte is a direct drive motor, so maybe a geared one is needed instead. Maybe even an eZee hub motor. They don't come with fittings for rear wheel use, but flecc has done it, and I've got a lathe too..... So that's one option.

flecc, what's the overall width of your eZee hub with freewheel?

What other geared hub motors are available? Any ideas?

Nick
 

frank9755

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 19, 2007
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Nick,

Before you get your lathe out, the Suzhou Bafang motors (the make used in the Torq) do come with in rear wheel configurations, some even include a freewheel. The Wisper one is in the rear wheel.

I think you're on the right lines with that motor.

Obviously there's a trade-off with any motor and controller between hill-climbing and speed on the flat, and you just need to choose where you want to sit on that curve!

Frank
 

Tiberius

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 9, 2007
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Thanks guys,

John,

I've been playing with that simulator a lot, even had correspondence with the ever helpful Justin about its operation.

The beauty is that there is all this info available about the Crystalyte performance, and its very difficult to get similar data about other motors.

Frank,

I saw something on the Suzhou website - if its on the Wisper then it must be readily available. Any ideas on getting performance data, or obtaining one?

Nick
 

flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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Yes Nick, definitely buy the rear hub version. I only took the trouble with mine since I already had them. The overall width is 150 mm on my conversions, the bought ones will be narrower, probably about 135/140 mm.

I can climb 22% on my 26 kilo Q bike with the Bafang motor and either the 35" or 60" 1st or 2nd gears, and have just about managed a short 30% stretch. You are many years younger than me so will probably do better.
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Tiberius

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 9, 2007
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frank9755

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 19, 2007
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London
Thanks guys,

Frank,

I saw something on the Suzhou website - if its on the Wisper then it must be readily available. Any ideas on getting performance data, or obtaining one?

Nick
Nick,

There are some specs on their site on Ali Baba
electric bicycle motor (SWXB) direct from China
They have a lot of models in different speeds, but it's not exactly that clear!

Here's some more info from a discussion I got into with Matt on the 'Welcome' post recently
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/52-just-registered-introduce-yourself-here-24.html#post24573
I haven't bought one yet (still deciding if I can risk losing all even more credibility with my wife in taking on another project after total failure of the last one!) but I know JimmyEngland bought one from this chap and was happy with it.

Frank