Lower gearing for the 906 Alpino

fescuegrass

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Sorry if I seem to be hogging things. Second new thread today but they are related.
The gearing of any bike as it leaves the factory must always be a compromise. The fitness and capabilities of the rider and the gradients in the local terrain will all have an effect. A few months ago I took delivery of my 906 Alpino which I am very pleased with and with the help and support from the company.
However, being pretty ancient (and therefor not very energetic) and living in a very hilly area I found that the overall gearing did not suit my circumstances. The Shimano 8-speed hub is very good with a nice spread of ratios and very easy smooth change but the steepest hill I could manage in bottom gear was about 1 in 10 which meant that some local routes were not usable. We don't have any flat roads round here, you are either pedalling hard in the lower gears up hill or free-wheeling at high speed down hill. This means that gears 6,7 and 8 were hardly ever needed.
In the search for suitable sprockets I found that Shimano offer a 20 tooth for their hub in place of the 18 tooth original which got me part way but I still needed more change so started searching for a new main sprocket with 45 or 46 teeth in place of the original 48.
The original chain wheel is swaged on to the crank so a new chainset was required. Also, to retain the pedal-turn sensor mechanism for the motor control, it is necessary to retain the original over-length spindle so the new chainset must fit the square taper shaft. I eventually found an FSA Vero chainset with 46 teeth which did the job.
So I've gone from 48/18 to 46/20 which means that the equivalent wheel size in bottom gear has gone from 39.3 inches to 34 inches. I can now just about manage a 1 in 7 hill if I'm feeling really fit.
This not a criticism of the bike, there is no such thing as a perfect setup to suit every rider and every road. I thought the information might be useful to other owners who find themselves in similar circumstances to me.
 

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Hi Thanks for your input.

You are correct in saying that bikes are set up for the average user in average terrain. If you need to change the gear ratios we do have other Chain sets available from 44 to 52 tooth.

Best regards

David
 

fescuegrass

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Thanks for responding David.
Since my original post I have realised that an even lower ratio might be useful and have just obtained a 44 tooth chain wheel from FSA which hopefully will be fitted later today.
I'm glad to see that Wisper are now able to supply alternative sprockets, that would have saved me a lot of research and trawling of websites.
 

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Thanks!

We had identified the problem a few months ago, even though for most people the chain drives are fine there are always exceptions, indeed I have fitted the 52 tooth on my bike... but I do live in Kent and not Scotland!

All the best

David
 

Graeme

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Thanks!

We had identified the problem a few months ago, even though for most people the chain drives are fine there are always exceptions, indeed I have fitted the 52 tooth on my bike... but I do live in Kent and not Scotland!

All the best

David
Hi David I am thinking of buying an Alpino 906 or 706.
I am fortunate to have a local Wisper dealer in Dundee.
Can you tell me if the 44 tooth Chainset option would be an extra or an option, or would that be down to the local dealer?
I'm new to ebikes so don't really understand the technicalities, but took note of this thread as I live in hilly Scotland.

Also, I understand from reviews that there will be a New Model 906 Alpino coming out later in the summer?
Can you confirm this, if so what is the date they will be available?
Wil there be an updated 706 Alpino?

Are you in a position to tell me what the updates will be?

Will the cost of the updated model have the same RRP?

Many thanks

Graeme
 

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Hi Greame

Thanks for your enquiry and for considering the Wisper Alpino.

The 44t chainrings are out of stock currently, however they will be available about the end of June, they are an optional extra and are fitted by your dealer, so there will be a little extra cost.

The new 906Alpinos will be in at the same time, we are out of stock at our warehouse but there may be some at our dealers.

The new 906Alpinos will have a few upgrades including a new 36V 16Ah battery, new dropouts and chain-guard, a quieter motor and hollow-tech cranks, they will be about £100.00 more expensive.

If you would like to email me at d.miall@me.com I would be delighted to send you some images.

Best regards

David
 

SallynAndy

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... If you need to change the gear ratios we do have other Chain sets available from 44 to 52 tooth.

Having read this thread, I was persueded to buy a 705 for my wife and a 906 with a 44 tooth chainring for me - we live in the Perthshire hills and I've put on weight!

The 906 was delivered last month with the standard 48 tooth chainring and, after complaining and taking my bike back to Lawntech in Dundee, they now tell me that Wisper no longer do the 44 tooth ring. So that's over £3000 spent and no answer to my problem yet.

Lawntech are looking to see if they can get a 44-tooth ring from eslewhere, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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Hi Sally and Andy, I would like to try and sort the problem out for you. It is true the uptake on smaller chain ring sizes was minimal so we decided to discontinue. Are you looking for one or two 44 tooth sets?

44 tooth is very low and obviously lowers the top gear at well as the low, have you tried a bike with such low gearing yet?

How old are your bikes? Does your Alpino have the new hollow tech bottom bracket?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards

David

All the best

David
 

SallynAndy

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44T Chainring

Dave, Thanks for your response.
Both bikes are new, Sally's 705 in July and my 906 in August. We are only planning to change the chainring on the 906 as Sally is substantially lighter than I am and copes with the local hills - we live in Highland Perthshire.
I havn't ridden a bike with a 44t ring but understand that the improved hill-climbing benefit at the low end will be paid for by a reduced top speed. I don't have a problem with this, as most of my cycling is on forest tracks and similar, and our dog will struggle if we try to maintain high speeds. Currently, I harldy ever touch gears of 5 and over.
My bike has been back with John at Lawntech for the last week. He is looking for the 44t chainring and has just advised that 'he can't get one until next week', so I'm going to have to get the bike back for our Autumn holiday and then return it to him in a couple of weeks.
At least both bikes will be ready for their first 300 mile checks by then.
I would appreciate anything that you can do to help, as Lawntech seem to be making a meal out of what I understood to be a straigh forward change.
Thanks again,
 

SallynAndy

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Further to my post above, Lawntech have again failed to obtain the required chainring whilst we were away, and having had to get the the brakes on both our bikes reset whilst on holiday, I have lost faith in their technical ability. I suppose that the lesson is don’t try and buybikes from lawnmower dealers, even if they are listed as a Wisper Service Centre.
John at Lawntech has promised a £50 refund, which is what he charged me for the specified chainring originally, but I am unhappy that we are £3000 out of pocket and 4 months down the line and still struggling to enjoy our new bikes.
I am now going to see if Bothy Bikes near Aviemore can check both bikes and fit the chainring.
 

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Hi Andy,

I am off to China next week and will try and arrange a couple of 44's for you. Do the bikes have the new hollow-tech bottom brackets?

Best regards

David
 

SallynAndy

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Thanks for your offer to help, David.

I've given up on Lawntech but have successfully got he problem sorted by Bothy Bikes - at least they seem to be very good with bikes.

I'll e-mail you separatly re the poor performance of Lawntech.
 

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