LONDON Marathon successfully measured using an Agattu

10mph

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Dec 13, 2010
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At midnight on Monday I met with two international road race course measurers at East Ferry Road on the Isle of Dogs to measure the London Marathon route for this Sunday's race. Hugh, in his mid fifties is a former London Marathon winner and still very slim and fit looking. Dave who administers course measurement in Asia and Oceana is tough tanned Aussie, also mid fifties I would guess.

I had chosen and purchased my 3 gear Agattu precisely to be able to stay with these two fit bike riders while measuring the London Marathon as well for measuring other races that come my way. Especially the hilly ones and those involving more than 15 to 20 miles riding in a day which is about my limit.

To measure we fix a simple geared revolution counter to the front wheel hub, and calibrate the bike's front wheel in terms of counts per km by riding over a straight calibration course between two nails exactly measured with a long and accurate steel tape measure. We can get well within 0.1% accuracy, that is 42 metres over the marathon distance of 26.2 miles.

We had to ride the shortest possible running line. Imagine a string pulled taut along the whole course - as far as possible in straight runs, and on bends held one foot from the kerb. That is the shortest route which we had to follow from side to side of the road or carriageway as the road curves and goes round corners. We had protection from a van and a pickup from road marking company, usually behind us when we were on the "correct" side of the road, but when the shortest line took us onto the "wrong" side, the van with its yellow lights flashing moved ahead to block off any oncoming traffic. I was surprised how much traffic some of the major roads had between midnight and 4.40 am when we completed measuring the route in 6 segments finishing at the end of Westminster bridge under Big Ben.

We then calibrated again on Rotten Row in Hyde Park, Here is a snap of my two colleagues, standing behind my Agattu which was in pride of place, and admired by them as a good solid bike for measuring.
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From my username you may guess that measuring needs 10mph riding for good accuracy, and that is what I based my bike choice on. Unlike some others around this forum who would be impatient at such low speeds, I can concentrate on steady smooth slow riding with minimum wobbles which would add to the distance travelled by the front wheel, and also exact positioning on the corners, 30 cm from the kerb.

However from the start I found that Hugh and Dave on their fast, light racing style bikes could not hold themselves back, and I struggled to keep up as they shot up to 15 mph and even more, and my 23kg pedalec loaded with a pannier bag with 3.5 kg of equipment cut out its assistance as per the electric bike regulations. It left me providing all the power. I was grateful that all the riding I had done over the past 4 months in preparation for my new bike and this occasion came to my rescue, I did not drift more than 40 metres off the back, and of course when there was any sort of slight uphill and they slowed and my bike's power assist came into its own. I kept on level 2 assist since I did not want to risk exhausting the battery on max assist.

The value of the bike's power was also very noticeable when pulling away from a stop. We stopped about 70 times to take intermediate readings, and each time I hardly had to work to accelerate rapidly while I could see Dave immediately in front of me was working hard on his bike to catch up with Hugh at the front. Also it was not long before I decided to mark Dave quite closely and partly shelter my very upright riding position behind his bulk.

If I had known beforehand that my fellow riders would be going over 15 mph I think I would have investigated some illegal change of gearing sprockets to give me a higher cut out speed and reduce the cadence.

The great thing was that I did not really tire too much and towards the end I was keeping up comfortably - they probably slowed a bit but speeds of 15 mph were still common on my GPS.

The other great thing was that the 18Ah battery easily lasted. In all I did 36 miles, all in medium assist, and the last battery LED was glowing steadily - not flashing. I think I used a little more than 80% of the battery capacity. All the stop-start was a good test of hard riding with lots of traffic lights on city streets. I have no doubt one could reliably get over 40 miles for a hard town commute at my weight of 95kg. Riding more leisurely at 10mph at home I had previously got a range 84 miles to battery cut out.

Oh, and the most important thing -- our measurements all agreed with one another within 14 metres. So I think this ride validates the accuracy of electric bikes for use by OAP course measurers, to extend duration of their measuring career.

I now have a measurement ride of the 2012 Olympic Marathon course lined up for late May.

Finally thanks to those forum members who have given me advice over the last 3 months, and gave me confidence to select the Agattu.
 

dmcgoldrick

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Aug 17, 2010
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very , very interesting use of your new bike.....never knew this is how the measurement was done..always assumed it was by car or motorbike.......
thanks for posting its a great read.........hope you got well paid !!!!

regards
 

PennyFarthing

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Feb 25, 2011
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Wow, that was fascinating to read - thanks for sharing!
 

steveindenmark

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Apr 10, 2011
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A good story to start the day and also a blast from the past for me.

I was serving in the military in London in the early 80s and was a keen long distance runner. I watched Hugh Jones cross the finishing line to win the London marathon, 1982 I think. Nice to see he is still fit and well.

Steve
 

10mph

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Dec 13, 2010
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I watched Hugh Jones cross the finishing line to win the London marathon, 1982 I think. Steve
1982 was the year of my first marathon - almost twice the time that Hugh took.
 

10mph

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Dec 13, 2010
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hope you got well paid !!!!
Not actually. I went at my own expense to take the opportunity to ride with two of the top 4 international measurement administrators. If I can get their blessing for use of the electric bike for measuring it will help establish it as a valid method.

Measuring is a voluntary activity but we do expect race organisers to cover our out of pocket expenses. I am not sure how much to charge for using up the battery life. I will resist all tempations to use the electric bike for non-measuring purposes so I can fairly say that it is wholely and exclusively used for measuring and then spread the battery replacement cost over say 3 or 4 years of measuring. I will have to see how the battery capacity holds up and adjust my expenses charges accordingly.
 

NRG

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Oct 6, 2009
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Excellent, great write up 10mph. This is a fantastic advert for electric bikes in general. Not sure how you feel about publicity but maybe David could use it for BEBA promotional material or something similar.


Edit: or perhaps Russ could put it on the front page of Pedelecs.co.uk....
 
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flecc

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Yes, it's very interesting and a subject I'd never considered before. A bicycle is certainly ideal for this purpose, low speeds making for greater accuracy, and having electric assist must take away enough of the effort to improve concentration on the job in hand.

Many thanks for the account 10mph.
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stevebills

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Dec 14, 2010
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they have found it is about one metre in a kilometre out and not 100% accurate on a bike :rolleyes:
 

NRG

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Wouldn't be 100% accurate by foot or other means either as you won't know the exact path / route the runners will take when racing on the day....unless you want to funnel them all down, single file, along a pre-laid out 'corridor'... ;)
 

flecc

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Wouldn't be 100% accurate by foot or other means either as you won't know the exact
path / route the runners will take when racing on the day....unless you want to funnel them all down, single
file, along a pre-laid out 'corridor'... ;)
Yes, a bit like cross country running, tour race cycling and moto-cross, the precise positioning en-route is part of
a runner's or rider's competitive skills, so distances covered vary.
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kitchenman

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Excellent post! ...

Re: Also it was not long before I decided to mark Dave quite closely and partly shelter my very upright riding position behind his bulk ...

Apparantly, if you get close enough, the rider behind can work 30% less. Not sure if thats true and not sure if I would want to get that close! ..:)
 

flecc

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Apparantly, if you get close enough, the rider behind can work 30% less.
Yes, it's why road race riders like those in the Tour de France drop back into the peleton and ride closely behind
each other to rest. Even in a two man breakaway, the riders will co-operate by taking turns to follow each other,
the winner decided in the final yards of sprint only.

The sprint specialists in each team are not good distance riders, so the other team members "carry" them forward
by towing, dropping away for the final few yards of the race for the sprinter to do his stuff to try and win the
stage, or at least the sprint.
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rsscott

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Excellent, great write up 10mph. This is a fantastic advert for electric bikes in general. Not sure how you feel about publicity but maybe David could use it for BEBA promotional material or something similar.


Edit: or perhaps Russ could put it on the front page of Pedelecs.co.uk....
Yes, posts like these would make excellent articles for the main site. One of the new sites features is the ability to promote a forum topic to a main news article.

10mph - do you have any photos from the day?
 

10mph

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Dec 13, 2010
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10mph - do you have any photos from the day?
It was dark, so no point in trying to get pictures of night time scenery. Apart from the photo displayed in the post, I have one similar of Hugh and myself, and also a picture showing the front half of the Kalkhoff and the trialthon bike ridden by Dave. So these will not be any better than what you have seen already.

I did think as the illuminated London Eye came into view when we rode along the Embankment that it might make a feasible background, but there was no time to get the camera out when we stopped near Big Ben.

As I mentioned I hope to be riding again in London to check the Olympic Marathon course - it will be in daylight early morning on the Bank Holiday at the end of May. I could try and get some scenic pictures then.

I would indeed feel honoured if my little story were to be selected for an article among your top level pages. I did look for the copyright conditions in your forum rules, but did not find any mention. So I assume copyright remains with me? I would be quite happy for commercial organisations such as BEBA mentioned by NRG also to use it, subject perhaps to a small gift to help equip my bike. Hint: I could do with some flashing indicators to help signal my intentions when striking out across road to follow the shortest running line. I do use hand signals but it would be nice to more clearly indicate my unexpected riding line if I had flashing indicators as well.

It would be only right to give 50cycles the first option on reproduction of my story since they sold me this excellent bike.
 

rsscott

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....I would indeed feel honoured if my little story were to be selected for an article among your top level pages. I did look for the copyright conditions in your forum rules, but did not find any mention. So I assume copyright remains with me?
I do need to update our terms for the new site. But at the moment, basically you own the copyright but by posting on here you give us permission to use what you have written as well as modify it (although I would only do this if it would cause us problems legally).

On the new site we will have a feature whereby threads can be 'promoted' to articles on the main site so they appear as news articles. They then link back to the forum so members can carry on the discussion.

We may also use them in a weekly newsletter to highlight key news/threads on the site.
 

10mph

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... at the moment, basically you own the copyright but by posting on here you give us permission to use what you have written as well as modify it (although I would only do this if it would cause us problems legally). ...
That is very appropriate for a public forum such as this. Especially since it is a place where everyone helps each other.

My main thought was to protect the copyrights of contributors of both words and images against exploitation elsewhere particularly on the web, where things are often reproduced without permission and acknowledgment of the original author.

Some months ago I came across a website of an e-bike retailer where in an attempt to puff up their products they had copied verbatim a long posting on another forum by an American explaining a technical aspect. Unfortunately the American in his posting had made a major error so the technical explanation contained some nonsense. By means of google I discovered where the e-bike retailer had stolen his words from. Of course in this case it backfired on the retailer since it was clear to me that he did not properly understand the material he had stolen. I decided I should take all his other advertising claims with a big pinch of salt. I chose a bike from another retailer who I judged to be trustworthy.