Kalkhoff Pro Connect £500 off!!!! £1195

[Basingstoke]

Kalkhoff Pro Connect £500 off!!!! £1195
Hi,
Just found this link its the same bike made in the same factory in Germany with a Raleigh badge! at £1195 Bargain!

Enjoy

UK Seller

RALEIGH Leicester E 2008 : £1195.00 : BIKES : Electric Bikes - Hilderthorpe Cycles

 

[Larkspur]

Kalkhoff Pro Connect £500 off!!!! £1195
Hi,
Just found this link its the same bike made in the same factory in Germany with a Raleigh badge! at £1195 Bargain!

Enjoy

UK Seller

RALEIGH Leicester E 2008 : £1195.00 : BIKES : Electric Bikes - Hilderthorpe Cycles

Hi Basingstoke,

I think the Raleigh Leicester is actually the Raleigh badged Kalkhoff Agattu rather than the Pro Connect - but it is still a bargain compared to the price being charged by 50 Cycles for the Kalkhoff bike (£1325).

I notice that Hilderthorpe Cycles don't actually have any in stock and aren't expecting any until June. I think this price will end up being revised by the time stock arrives because the price rises at 50 Cycles have been due to the value of the Euro rising against the pound - Hilderthorpe can't ignore that.



Chris

 

[frank9755]

Hi Basingstoke,

I think the Raleigh Leicester is actually the Raleigh badged Kalkhoff Agattu rather than the Pro Connect - but it is still a bargain compared to the price being charged by 50 Cycles for the Kalkhoff bike (£1325).

I notice that Hilderthorpe Cycles don't actually have any in stock and aren't expecting any until June. I think this price will end up being revised by the time stock arrives because the price rises at 50 Cycles have been due to the value of the Euro rising against the pound - Hilderthorpe can't ignore that.



Chris

Hilderthorpe needs to make a profit, but remember that there are fairly high gross margins on electric bikes - around 50% - so it is possible that Hilderthorpe might adopt a different pricing policy and go for volume rather than high margin. Given they are a diversified bike shop with electrics as a sideline they may be more able to adopt this strategy than a Kahlkoff-only player such as 50 Cycles. Maybe they are just trying to be a bit more competitive.

Furthermore, the Euro is already high against the pound. There's no certainty it will go higher in future (if any of us knew it would, we could make a lot of money!)

Therefore we can't conclude these prices are necessarily going to go up soon. I would advise anyone not to order a product not in stock but wait until it is available.

Frank

 

[flecc]

Also bear in mind these are parallel imports, possibly via a dealer in Germany sourcing them from the German Raleigh wing of Derby Cycles. This is nothing to do with Raleigh in the UK who sold the company off some while ago, so the warranty support needs to be checked.

The German Raleigh names for the Agattu and Pro Connect are Leicester and Dover, and they are not identical to the Kalkhoff versions, component variations between them, though they are essentially the same basic bikes.
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[Django]

There was a discussion about this here and another here for those interested.

For personal reasons this is potentially a more attractive proposition for me than using 50cycles.

 

[frank9755]

Also bear in mind these are parallel imports, possibly via a dealer in Germany sourcing them from the German Raleigh wing of Derby Cycles. This is nothing to do with Raleigh in the UK who sold the company off some while ago.

I hadn't realised that Derby Cycles and Raleigh were separate companies. So I looked up the Raleigh accounts to get the picture, and it was quite interesting.

In 2007, Raleigh had sales of about £32m consisting of roughly £30m of bike sales in the UK and £2m from licensing the Raleigh (and Diamondback) brands to overseas players (eg Derby). It made a profit of just over £1.5m. So, one way to look at it would be to say that selling the bikes in the UK is just about break-even, but the company makes all its profits from licensing!

 

[flecc]

Actually they sold Derby Cycles completely Frank, though there are various licensing arrangements as well as you saw.

Manufacturing or acting as a manufacturer seems to be a mugs game these days, just look at our failures to succeed with manufacturing in the past several decades and the money we make from financial services and the like.

It's a sort of new age international masters and slaves situation.
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[Larkspur]

Hilderthorpe needs to make a profit, but remember that there are fairly high gross margins on electric bikes - around 50% - so it is possible that Hilderthorpe might adopt a different pricing policy and go for volume rather than high margin. Given they are a diversified bike shop with electrics as a sideline they may be more able to adopt this strategy than a Kahlkoff-only player such as 50 Cycles. Maybe they are just trying to be a bit more competitive.

Furthermore, the Euro is already high against the pound. There's no certainty it will go higher in future (if any of us knew it would, we could make a lot of money!)

Therefore we can't conclude these prices are necessarily going to go up soon. I would advise anyone not to order a product not in stock but wait until it is available.

Frank

I take your point regarding exchange rates Frank, but I think that the price shown for the Raleigh on Hiderthorpe's website has remained unchanged for a quite a long time (I saw it a couple of months ago). During that time they have not actually sold any Raleigh Leicesters because they haven't had any to sell. During the same period, 50 Cycles who have actually had some Kalkhoff Agattus to sell have been forced to put up their prices.

I admit that I am speculating about price increases, and you may be right about Hiderthorpe having a different pricing policy, but I suspect that by the time they actually get some bikes they will find that they are paying more for them than would have been the case at the time they first published that web page. They may choose to absorb the extra cost but all things being equal, they'll have to do what 50 cycles have done.

Chris