Invention versus discovery.

neptune

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I want to talk about invention versus discovery. Sometimes I look at a thing that has been around for centuries, and I wonder how it got started.My conclusion is that the discovery usually comes first. It may precede the actually invention by a long time. Take television. The basic principles were understood by 1850, or perhaps a long time before that. The Russian inventor Nipkow invented a scanning disc about 1850, but the main bit that was missing was an amplifier. Lee de Forest invented the amplifying triode valve in the early 1900s, but it was not until the 1920s that John Logie Baird brought all the bits together to demonstrate a primitive TV system.

Photography was the same. The Camera Obscura or pinhole camera has been known for centuries. What was missing was light sensitive plate, and way of developing and fixing an image. This was achieved by many different inventors working independently over the best part of a century.

The thing that started me thinking about all this was the violin.{OMG not another fiddle tale neptune}. The first stringed musical instruments were without doubt developed from the hunting bow. Someone twanged a bow, and found that the pitch could be varied by leaning on the bow stave to slacken and tighten the string. It is a myth that Nero fiddled while Rome burned, as the fiddle was not developed untill the fourteenth century. If Nero had an instrument, it was probably a harp, played by plucking.

A hunting bow will produce a sound, but not very loud. In Africa, plucked strings were combined with a drum, giving rise to the banjo. But where did the idea of bowing strings come from? A fiddle bow is horse hair stretched along a stick. Horse hair has been around as long as horses. But if you bow a fiddle, using a brand new bow, it will not produce any sound. You need to add rosin, or resin, which at its most basic is dried tree sap.

Did some ancient hunter lean his hunting bow, strung with plaited horse hair, against a "wounded" tree and contaminate the string with sap? Did he then, by accident or design, rub it against the string of another bow? We will never know of course. It is interesting to speculate though. I can imagine his wife looking on in amazement, and saying " I know I am crazy, but didn`t that sound like Beethoven`s Fifth?
 
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flecc

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I've always maintained that inventions are extremely rare. The great majority of so-called "inventions" are in reality merely developments.
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A chap called Altschuler studied thousands of patents and discovered that there are 40 inventive principles. By permutating them with the 39 engineering parameters, you can invent anything. Somebody made software called Invention Machine that does it all for you, so your computer can invent things for you. It sounds incredible, but it does actually work if you know how to use it. The techniques were developed into a system called TRIZ. Anybody involved in design or inventive problem solving it should study it.

Have a read of this and you should become an inventer like me.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ
 
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I watched Dragons' Den last night on BBC2. Two guys who invented a new watering can asked for £150k for 15% of their company/invention. It turns out that the only thing new worth getting a patent for is the unused handle at the bottom of the can/bag. Apparently, their handle is a better handle. I am truly disappointed by the caliber of the people who turned up at the Den. If we have to rely on them for our pensions then we are all doomed.
http://www.nottinghampost.com/Dragons-Den-Nottinghamshire-duo-failed-impress/story-26066407-detail/story.html
 

neptune

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I`m with you on that flecc. It is much more about money than invention. I only ever met one guy who owned a parent, and that was back in the 1960s. The guy was a porter at the hospital. In those days, razor blades were used for removing stitches. The nurses were always cutting their fingers.

The next time the razor blade rep called, the porter asked him if they sold a handle for these blades. The rep said that they did not, and asked the porter to design one. He did so, more or less on the back of an envelope. The rep took it back to the firm, and they agreed to use the idea, and pay him one penny royalty on each handle sold.

Actually I don`t know if he patented it, probably not. But that money bought him a new car every two years for as long as he needed a car.
 
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During my career in the NHS is was involved in and initiated several "inventions", mainly in the field of Maxillofacial Surgery.

I guess only a couple could truly be regarded as inventions as they were mostly adaptions or modifications of existing devices or techniques.

One device was an alternative method of immobilising mandibular (lower jaw) fractures by wiring which is an age old technique, but my device or component cut the time required for the procedure by 50% which was appreciated by all concerned not least the patient

I "invented" a small hook made of medical grade stainless steel.

The hook is 5 to 6mm long and cut from 30cm long rods. It is then machined so that end on it was in the shape of a cross and then various holes were drilled into it plus a notch cut to make the actual hook part.

To start with I made several by hand with nothing more than a micromotor, but then I was able to get an engineer to supply the rod already machined which saved a lot of time and effort, but it was still a fiddly and time consuming task to drill the 1.0 mm holes with a TC bur and cut the notch with 0.7 mm abrasive disks and then polish them.

They proved to be very useful in situations where bone plating was not practical or possible and demand increased. I made up packs of 10 hooks and pre wired them with 0.4mm pre stretched soft stainless steel wire.

I tried to outsource the work to precision engineers, but either they couldn't do it, or it was going be ridiculously expensive.

Originally the intention was to sterilise after use and recycle them, but stricter regulations came into force which meant that they had to be disposed of after one use.

The invention became a mind numbingly boring millstone, particularly when the stock began to disappear and find it's way into other hospitals, plus when mangement got wind of it and other devices we made they could smell money and income generation reared it's ugly head.

I sucessfully argued against becoming a widget manufacturer as it was not what I was employed for.

I won't go into all the other issues about CMMD's (custom made medical devices) or about intellectual property rights and how they affect NHS employees.
 
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Cyclezee

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I`m with you on that flecc. It is much more about money than invention. I only ever met one guy who owned a parent, and that was back in the 1960s. The guy was a porter at the hospital. In those days, razor blades were used for removing stitches. The nurses were always cutting their fingers.

The next time the razor blade rep called, the porter asked him if they sold a handle for these blades. The rep said that they did not, and asked the porter to design one. He did so, more or less on the back of an envelope. The rep took it back to the firm, and they agreed to use the idea, and pay him one penny royalty on each handle sold.

Actually I don`t know if he patented it, probably not. But that money bought him a new car every two years for as long as he needed a car.
Blimey, had the hospital not heard of Swan Morton who have been making scalpels since 1932 http://www.swann-morton.com/
In any case stitches or sutures are normally removed with scissors and
tweezers.
 
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Cyclezee

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John, we are talking lincolnshire here.It was only last year that they gave up diagnosis by the casting of runes.
I don't know anything of it's reputation, but Pilgrim Hospital must have moved on since some of the residents shipped out to the other side of the pond.
 

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