Hello

Just a quick hello to introduce myself, long time cyclist but new to the world of ebikes, I'm planning on converting a bike that I bought, I've already stripped it down to the bare frame and repainted it and I'm starting to put it back together, I'll put some pictures up as I go along, cheers

Hello. Welcome to the forum. I have absolutely no clue about conversions but good luck.

Don't just buy any kit just because it's cheap, let us know the terrain and use you plan for the bike and what you want the bike to achieve. Have you had any thoughts about the type of kit you are looking for ?

Some times it can be better to but the tiems separately and make up your own kit.

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by Nealh

Thanks for the reply nealh, I'll be using the bike mostly for travelling to work which is a round trip of 14 miles almost all on canal towpaths so it is almost all flat apart from a few small hills at the locks, I used to do the trip quite comfortably on my hybrid bike(which I'm keeping just as it is) but after a few years of not cycling and with a bit of arthritis in my hip it's not as enjoyable as it used to be, especially on the way home after your shift and the small hills are all on the way back. I used to pedal along at 12 mph all day long but that has dropped to 9/10mph and any time I put some extra effort in at the locks or a headwind the pain in my hip is a lot worse so I was thinking that an ebike would help to flatten the hills and cancel out any headwinds? The mechanical side of things, nuts and bolts etc I'm comfortable with but the electric side will new to me so buying a complete kit from the one place kind of makes sense to me until I'm fermiliar with how it all works, the 500w rear hub kit from EBC looks alright to me and the feedback on the forum has been mostly positive, cheers

I bet those canal paths are an awesome place to ride (apart from the pedestrians ).

 

Please do post pics of your conversion, we love to see pics here

Yes the canal paths are in pretty good condition and in the morning on my way to work they are not very busy but on the way home from work it's a different story, I'll put some pictures up once I work out how to do it, cheers

Remember the 500 watt kit is illegal. Plenty of 250 watt kits around and they can give you 15 mph easy.

if you can change the speed limit above 15.5 mph and it has a 250w motor its still illegal.

 

same as using a dongle on a 250w bosch bike does the same thing in lifting the 15.5 mph limit.

 

so best off with a 1000w motor and stick a 250w sticker on it

I know above 250w is for off road only but is it not better to have a wee bit extra than not enough? I wouldn't think that the police would be that interested on what size the motor was or if they are even bothered about ebikes? As soundwave said just stick a 250w sticker on it,don't think anyone would be any the wiser. On a side note I've just noticed the price of the kit has gone up by £30!

if you can change the speed limit above 15.5 mph and it has a 250w motor its still illegal.

 

same as using a dongle on a 250w bosch bike does the same thing in lifting the 15.5 mph limit.

 

so best off with a 1000w motor and stick a 250w sticker on it

 

 

It's an of road switch that makes it illegal. Reprogramming is also illegal. The ability to reprogram isn't. If it's sold as a legal kit without a switch its legal.

Defeating the limiter makes it illegal like a dongle.

Having a 1000watt motor is automatically illegal. Having a 250watt rated motor that can take 1000w isn't.

Putting your own sticker on is an aggravating factor, showing intent to brake the law and attempting to con the police.

Yes it's low risk but it could cost you thousands as well as your licence/ prison. Drunk driving anyone?

Edit in this case when I say illegal, it is illegal to use on land with public access.

So you can have a 1000watt unlimited bike in the garage. The moment you cycle anywhere with public access, you commit a criminal offence.

As dongle use or unlimited speed cycling would be also.

It would take a seriously tough police man to try and do you for pushing one in a public place.

But pedal one cm and you risk all.

Edited July 5, 20169 yr by D8ve

Bit like having a Ferrari when a fiesta will do the legal limit comfortabley, there's probably not a car sold today that can't do over 100mph but the speed limit is 70mph, I'll bet every driver has broken the speed limit at some point? And as for trying to put having a bigger motor than the law allows in the same bracket as drink driving..............?????? Don't think you can. Anyhow back on track do you think the 500w motor will suit my needs, cheers

if you can change the speed limit above 15.5 mph and it has a 250w motor its still illegal.

 

same as using a dongle on a 250w bosch bike does the same thing in lifting the 15.5 mph limit.

 

so best off with a 1000w motor and stick a 250w sticker on it

 

Legal and lawful.

 

'Illegal' describes an act that is unlawful and also a criminal act, such as murder, theft, criminal damage. Crimes.

 

'Unlawful' means it is against the law, but not necessarily a criminal act; it can be a civil wrong, such as trademark infringement, for which the wrongdoer may be sued, but will unlikely face criminal prosecution.

 

Just saying..

Anyhow back on track do you think the 500w motor will suit my needs, cheers

 

Realistically, a 250w would probably suit your needs at 15 mph.

 

Then later, whilst commuting on your quiet towpath, you may wish to go slightly faster than that. Say 20 mph. The 500w might suit your needs then. Decisions, decisions.

 

Whatever you choose Tabs, drive sensibly though eh mate.

Bit like having a Ferrari when a fiesta will do the legal limit comfortabley, there's probably not a car sold today that can't do over 100mph but the speed limit is 70mph, I'll bet every driver has broken the speed limit at some point? And as for trying to put having a bigger motor than the law allows in the same bracket as drink driving..............?????? Don't think you can. Anyhow back on track do you think the 500w motor will suit my needs, cheers

 

No, I don't think a 500w will suit you, at least until you grasp the implications.

 

In the pedelec world things are not as straight forward as they first appear.

 

250w does not mean 250w. Off road does not mean 'Not on the road', and laws that apply to cars mostly don't to pedelecs.

 

Welcome, just remember its complicated.

It doesn't appear to be straightforward, how does 250w not mean 250w? Is it to do with the controller? I was thinking that cause am a big boned guy,19+ stone a wee bit extra power would be useful? I should add at this point I've not tried an ebike yet,I'll need to book a test drive at Halfords or something, cheers

It doesn't appear to be straightforward, how does 250w not mean 250w? Is it to do with the controller? I was thinking that cause am a big boned guy,19+ stone a wee bit extra power would be useful? I should add at this point I've not tried an ebike yet,I'll need to book a test drive at Halfords or something, cheers

 

If you are looking at the 500w kit from electric Bike Conversions, then I advise against it. Its a Direct Drive motor, which wont be much good for you. Its wound for 30mph, which means it will have very little torque.

 

Either a geared hub motor, or a crank drive motor would suit you. Hub motor will be cheaper. If you don't need assistance over 18mph, then 250w will be enough.

You could always try one of those new G-Tech ebikes, for a free two week trial, and then send it back if it doesn't meet your needs.

Geared hub motor,any recommendations? The gteck bike looks ok but at a £1000 it's a bit more than I want to spend and if I got it to try I might just keep it!

Bafang BPM/CST or if you want to get fitter, go for SWX.

I think 250w is just fine on a bike, if you want to ride around at 30mph buy a moped.

I think 250w is just fine on a bike, if you want to ride around at 30mph buy a moped.

 

Or an ebike.

Bit like having a Ferrari when a fiesta will do the legal limit comfortabley, there's probably not a car sold today that can't do over 100mph but the speed limit is 70mph, I'll bet every driver has broken the speed limit at some point? And as for trying to put having a bigger motor than the law allows in the same bracket as drink driving..............?????? Don't think you can. Anyhow back on track do you think the 500w motor will suit my needs, cheers

If it's a moped which a 500watt bike is classed as you can have the book thrown at you. This could include drunk driving if you have had a drink before cycling, as some use the bike for pub runs!

The 500 watt is effectively little different from the legal kits.

Just the shit you can end up in is mucho larger.

the pub dont sell Special brew tho 8 cans n turbo time 30mph straight past the police station

After a wee bit of research the direct drive hub motor seems to be the most reliable, quietest and cheapest, it is the heaviest and has less torque but after looking at a few videos on YouTube they seem to perform ok and look like a good option for someone on a budget (me) only thing I can see with the EBC kits is the amount of wiring that gets rolled up and put into the bag beside the controller, think that might annoy me and ad need to get the soldering iron out! Think I seen a kit with less connections/wiring somewhere but was quite a bit more expensive.

After a wee bit of research the direct drive hub motor seems to be the most reliable, quietest and cheapest, it is the heaviest and has less torque but after looking at a few videos on YouTube they seem to perform ok and look like a good option for someone on a budget (me) only thing I can see with the EBC kits is the amount of wiring that gets rolled up and put into the bag beside the controller, think that might annoy me and ad need to get the soldering iron out! Think I seen a kit with less connections/wiring somewhere but was quite a bit more expensive.

Have a look at http://www.pandaebikes.com

 

...and see how much a 250w geared hub kit is. You aren't going to save much by going DD, but you will lose a lot of torque. You (like me) are a larger chap who will require that extra torque.

 

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