Health and Safety - Share Your E-Bike Battery Experiences & Recommendations

[RollingChunder]

Do they get help though? My feeling is that if anyone does do a conversion like that, there's not much help forthcoming on this forum. But judging by what people seem to ride on the road, nothing we say is stopping them.

FWIW, I agree with you. It would be better if the correct naming was used, but where I feel we differ is that I basically think the battle is lost. All we can do really is signpost to the correct information.

It's the same mounting process as a 250w kit. Just needs torque arms to work reliably.

 

[saneagle]

Do they get help though? My feeling is that if anyone does do a conversion like that, there's not much help forthcoming on this forum. But judging by what people seem to ride on the road, nothing we say is stopping them.

Mainly, they don't have much knowledge on the subject. They have the idea that they can bolt a 2000w motor to their bike, then it will ride just like a normal bike but a lot faster. We give them plenty of help to get a better understanding of what it's really like. Often, with their new knowledge they change their aspirations to something more realistic. I think it's very good that they come here before launching into something potentially disastrous.

 

[flecc]

Do they get help though? My feeling is that if anyone does do a conversion like that, there's not much help forthcoming on this forum. But judging by what people seem to ride on the road, nothing we say is stopping them.

True they get limited or no help, but clearly they have the idea that a pedelecs/EAPC forum is where to come for it. And it's mainly the wrong use of that e-bike name for pedelecs that is to blame for that.

FWIW, I agree with you. It would be better if the correct naming was used, but where I feel we differ is that I basically think the battle is lost. All we can do really is signpost to the correct information.

We could achieve more if the authorities co-operate in the manner I've indicated by using correct terms and action as i indicated in this post

But we'd have to get our act right first.
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[Az.]

Not the manipulation you think from your very short time in here.

We simply don't know if there were any incidents involving batteries amongst our members. We don't have the data.

On the other hand I agree there is an active smear campaign in media against electric vehicles probably sponsored by petrol lobby. They manipulate data too. Manipulation unfortunately seems to be a norm now especially since brexit brigade took over.

The current problem is nothing whatsoever to do with legal pedelecs. It solely concerns illegal e-bikes which our legal machines are NOT, and illegal e-scooters. We should not be discussing something which is nothing to do with us, other than pointing out that fact.

Again we don't have data. You are just jumping to conclusions.

The technical legal term for our machines is EAPC, but their legal common name is what they are in law, a bicycle, which can have their necessary pedalling assisted if so desired.
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We just need to get back to calling them bicycles, since we who ride them still correctly call ourselves cyclists.

Two wheels and pedals - a bike.
Bike with electric motor and battery - an e-bike.

This is how people classify things.

Precisely, which is why discussing battery safety in this thread is pointless and unproductive.

Said Flecc who started two brexit mega threads on pedelec forum

Where should OP discuss it if not here?

It worked perfectly OK for Wisper when their 250wLPM requirement arose, the test centre simply checked the law that they are a part of, and acted appropriately and have done ever since for them.

Yes, great idea, but Wisper throttle bikes are not really bikes anymore. They are mopeds.

We've got clarity and extremely simple rules.

Yes... all converted bikes are illegal. Not exactly the clarity I was hoping for.

Trouble is we've also got widespread deliberate law breaking and inadequate law enforcement. A major cause of that is those who insist on calling our machine e-bikes, opening what many wrongly think is a huge loophole for having an unregistered motorcycle. Hence all those coming in here asking for help in fitting up to 2000 or more watt motors etc.

That is another elephant in the room. I mean advice so freely and happily given here for all who want to break the law.

 

[lenny]

 

[flecc]

We simply don't know if there were any incidents involving batteries amongst our members. We don't have the data.

It doesn't matter if there were any at all, when they are so few as to be invisible throughout 18 years. That is more than enough factual data to show it is not our problem.

Again we don't have data. You are just jumping to conclusions.

As above, no data is needed for this statement:

"The current problem is nothing whatsoever to do with legal pedelecs. It solely concerns illegal e-bikes which our legal machines are NOT, and illegal e-scooters."

which is established legal and physical fact.

Said Flecc who started two brexit mega threads on pedelec forum

Again wrong. They were in "The Charging Post", a forum for subjects OTHER than pedelecs, read its sub title. Many specialised forums have such an off subject forums to get enough traffic to attract the advertising which helps to keep specialised forums alive.

Where should OP discuss it if not here?

Either Endless Sphere which covers all forms of alternative machines, or social media sites since they are so often involved in illegal subjects.

Yes, great idea, but Wisper throttle bikes are not really bikes anymore. They are mopeds.

You are misunderstanding the subject, it is exactly the same test. To establish each one submitted is a legal EAPC with only one variation from that exemption, the added throttle.

Yes... all converted bikes are illegal. Not exactly the clarity I was hoping for.

Not just that, the clarity and simplicity is in the requirements. A 250 watt rated maximum auxilliary motor, no power above 4mph without pedalling. How much more clear and simple could that be?

To get a conversion accepted is simply a matter of getting a test at the nominal cost of £55. Although only Wisper have done that here in England, some in Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom had also done it prior to 13th May 2020 due to some variations back then in their two wheeler laws.

It's hardly a big deal compared to 70 years ago when millions had to get their assisted bicycles registered, number plated with paid for and displayed tax disc, paid for third part liability insurance and get a full motorcycle licence, displaying front and rear L plates until they passed that driving test.
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