Haibike

[gw8izr]

My quest to replace my old e-bike is ongoing.. this weekend I called into the local mountain bike hire place here in North Wales to have a chat about his bikes.. he has a fleet out on hire all the time so I guess his opinion is worth listening to. Bit of background, he uses Haibike and seemed to rate them, not the Yamaha motor and he suggested the Bosch CX was the one to get. He does his own Bosch warranty repairs on the motors. Sadly he doesn't sell bikes but of course I can hire one to test. I'd rather buy from where I test but that's not going to work out.

I just wondered if the assembled masses here had any general experience of Haibike e-bikes ?

TIA Paul.

 

[thelarkbox]

Hi Paul.. Perhaps describe your expected bike use, and range requirements. Mid drive bikes certainly have a market, however the cheaper and more reliable hub drives can in many situations provide a working solution without mid drive complications and costs (chain/gear wear etc)

For reliable bikes with backup and support both Woosh and Wisper have a good name/rep in the forum.

 

[matthewslack]

Haibike generally gets good reviews, as do the Yamaha motors. Unless you are doing extreme off road and trying to break it, or storing outdoors in the weather, any of the well known mid-drive brands are likely to be fine for you.

If you plan to do serious off-road, like the north Wales trail centres, then forget hub motors. But they are fine for Route 5 along the coast. In between you really need to ride the same route on both types to understand the difference.

 

[gw8izr]

Hi Paul.. Perhaps describe your expected bike use, and range requirements. Mid drive bikes certainly have a market, however the cheaper and more reliable hub drives can in many situations provide a working solution without mid drive complications and costs (chain/gear wear etc)

For reliable bikes with backup and support both Woosh and Wisper have a good name/rep in the forum.

Thank you for the reply, my apologies I should have been more specific in my question. I've lived with a mid drive for about five years already so I know it suits my needs, my conversion came from Woosh https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/i-may-never-bother-to-pedal-again.36483/

 

[gw8izr]

Haibike generally gets good reviews, as do the Yamaha motors. Unless you are doing extreme off road and trying to break it, or storing outdoors in the weather, any of the well known mid-drive brands are likely to be fine for you.

If you plan to do serious off-road, like the north Wales trail centres, then forget hub motors. But they are fine for Route 5 along the coast. In between you really need to ride the same route on both types to understand the difference.

My apologies I should have been more specific in my question.

I'm really interested to know if the bikes have a reputation for being poor quality or maybe hard to get parts etc.. rather than selecting the type of bike that I need.

A mid drive hard tail mtb or maybe a hard tail trail is my requirement.

TIA Paul

 

[matthewslack]

My apologies I should have been more specific in my question.

I'm really interested to know if the bikes have a reputation for being poor quality or maybe hard to get parts etc.. rather than selecting the type of bike that I need.

A mid drive hard tail mtb or maybe a hard tail trail is my requirement.

TIA Paul

The only bits you need have any interest in from that point of view are the 'e' bits. The frame won't fail and everything else is just components, which you will replace when wear and tear dictates. My 44 month old, 34,000km Ridgeback has almost no original parts now! Frame, saddle, front hub and spokes, rear brake lever is about it! (Not everything wore out, some bits were upgrades). But the Shimano E5000 is all original bits, albeit I have shared mileage across several batteries.

For serious off road, Shimano EP8 or Bosch Performance CX are probably the most commonly seen motors, for third party repairability choose the Bosch. But for moderate use, looked after, bought with warranty and in perfect order as the warranty expires, you won't need repairability for many years, so if a good deal on an EP8 or an equivalent Yamaha comes up, don't dismiss it.

 

[gw8izr]

The only bits you need have any interest in from that point of view are the 'e' bits. The frame won't fail and everything else is just components, which you will replace when wear and tear dictates. My 44 month old, 34,000km Ridgeback has almost no original parts now! Frame, saddle, front hub and spokes, rear brake lever is about it! (Not everything wore out, some bits were upgrades). But the Shimano E5000 is all original bits, albeit I have shared mileage across several batteries.

For serious off road, Shimano EP8 or Bosch Performance CX are probably the most commonly seen motors, for third party repairability choose the Bosch. But for moderate use, looked after, bought with warranty and in perfect order as the warranty expires, you won't need repairability for many years, so if a good deal on an EP8 or an equivalent Yamaha comes up, don't dismiss it.

That does make perfect sense, my old Marin is about 25 years old and whilst the forks and seat stem are original I reckon it’s not exactly as built

 

[saneagle]

My quest to replace my old e-bike is ongoing.. this weekend I called into the local mountain bike hire place here in North Wales to have a chat about his bikes.. he has a fleet out on hire all the time so I guess his opinion is worth listening to. Bit of background, he uses Haibike and seemed to rate them, not the Yamaha motor and he suggested the Bosch CX was the one to get. He does his own Bosch warranty repairs on the motors. Sadly he doesn't sell bikes but of course I can hire one to test. I'd rather buy from where I test but that's not going to work out.

I just wondered if the assembled masses here had any general experience of Haibike e-bikes ?

TIA Paul.

Here's my advice. If you have a few thousand pound sitting in your bank account and becoming worth less each year because of inflation, go and get yourself a nice Haibike, and make the dealer happy by giving him/her plenty of expensive servicing work, or you can make them unhappy by doing it all yourself. If you need to take a loan to get one, forget it and buy something that you can afford or stick with what you have if it works. By loan, I include Cycle to Work scheme.

 

[gw8izr]

Here's my advice. If you have a few thousand pound sitting in your bank account and becoming worth less each year because of inflation, go and get yourself a nice Haibike, and make the dealer happy by giving him/her plenty of expensive servicing work, or you can make them unhappy by doing it all yourself. If you need to take a loan to get one, forget it and buy something that you can afford or stick with what you have if it works. By loan, I include Cycle to Work scheme.

I’m at the time of life where I’m fortunate to be able to buy a new bike, I’m at the time of life where I might not live long enough to wear it out ( not that bad really but it’s certain that there is more active years behind than in front)

I will still do the majority of service work myself

 

[saneagle]

I’m at the time of life where I’m fortunate to be able to buy a new bike, I’m at the time of life where I might not live long enough to wear it out ( not that bad really but it’s certain that there is more active years behind than in front)

I will still do the majority of service work myself

The only other thing I'd say is that you have to pedal them a bit harder than some others to go up steep hills. They suit fit people very well, but if your knees are going or your strength is waning, the Chinese type bikes would be better, especially a 48v one.

 

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my bike is now 11 years old this year it started life with the performance motor which has been upgraded to the cx gen 2 motor.

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the only thing left from new is the frame.

also note most new bikes are made in such a way you cant go much bigger then a 36-38t at the front but as my motor uses the smaller chain rings mine is eqv to 52t

but to hit 40 mph you have to spin the cranks at 120rpm.

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[AndyBike]

Haibike make some great bikes with a good level of componentry for the money, but ye gads are they fugly

Mid drive only for anything offroad, and it doesnt need to be extreme enduro or DH, basically pretty much anything with hills is going to be UP and for UP you need a balanced bike, not one with a seriously heavy rear wheel
No unless of course you like wheelies

I'd also look at Orbea, Cube,Scott, or Focus. for good examples.

 

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and look how much you can loose tiny motors have tiny balls

 

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and look how much you can loose tiny motors have tiny balls

These are more about how the bike feels on the trail, as in a bike more standard bike like than trying to propel a tank down single track.

But from my experience of forum threads on these most find the lack of range to be an issue and always opt for the extender battery pack, which ironically brings the weight back up to a full fat.

As bikes go though thats a seriously good price for a carbon with Fox factory shock/fork/dropper. and full XTR drivetrain inc brakes.

Never heard of that seller/company, but the way that is priced I'd be suspect if it is real or fake

 

[soundwave]

my bike was from ebike shop but as i bought it 2nd hand i had no warranty and would not even sell me any parts.

 

[matthewslack]

These are more about how the bike feels on the trail, as in a bike more standard bike like than trying to propel a tank down single track.

But from my experience of forum threads on these most find the lack of range to be an issue and always opt for the extender battery pack, which ironically brings the weight back up to a full fat.

As bikes go though thats a seriously good price for a carbon with Fox factory shock/fork/dropper. and full XTR drivetrain inc brakes.

Never heard of that seller/company, but the way that is priced I'd be suspect if it is real or fake

That's an ebike designed for people who ride with non-ebike companions. Small battery and EP8 motor detuned to 60Nm. Seriously lacking in a group ride of 80+Nm motors and 750Wh batteries.