Front derailleur adjustment

Anthonyexmouth

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Hi, I've had to put a longer bottom bracket on my bike to accommodate the Pas. Now my derailleur won't extend out far enough to change into highest gear. Watched you tube videos but none show how to extend when you've reached the extent of the adjust screw?

As a related question, would I be better off doing away with front gears now I have a bafang BPM rear hub?
 
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Front derailleurs only extend so far. if it doesn't reach, you need a new one. Assuming a 68mm BB, I nearly always chuck the square taper cranks and the bottom bracket, and replace the whole lot with a Hollowtech one (M590). I fit the PAS on the left side so that it doesn't interfere with the gears. Those cranks, including the BB, are about £60 and it it gives you the chance to go up to 44T or 48T on the big chain-ring for relaxed pedalling at speed. The whole system is lighter, stronger, gives better gearing and gives me a reliable predictable way to fit the PAS, so it kills several birds with one stone. Also, your cranks never come loose like square taper ones sometimes do.

You can run without the front derailleur. Carry a lolly-stick or similar, so that if ever you need to run with the smaller chain-ring, you can hook the chain over. it only takes a few seconds. That's what I used to do. On nearly all my rides, it's downhill on the way out and uphill on the way back, so I hooked the chain over before coming back. Once on, it doesn't come off.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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Well the full story is this. Original BB u25 on my 2004 rockhopper was 17.5mm replaced yesterday with u55 127mm to make room for Pas.
Would the hollow tech solve my problem with the derailleur distance?
 

Anthonyexmouth

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Front derailleurs only extend so far. if it doesn't reach, you need a new one. Assuming a 68mm BB, I nearly always chuck the square taper cranks and the bottom bracket, and replace the whole lot with a Hollowtech one (M590). I fit the PAS on the left side so that it doesn't interfere with the gears. Those cranks, including the BB, are about £60 and it it gives you the chance to go up to 44T or 48T on the big chain-ring for relaxed pedalling at speed. The whole system is lighter, stronger, gives better gearing and gives me a reliable predictable way to fit the PAS, so it kills several birds with one stone. Also, your cranks never come loose like square taper ones sometimes do.

You can run without the front derailleur. Carry a lolly-stick or similar, so that if ever you need to run with the smaller chain-ring, you can hook the chain over. it only takes a few seconds. That's what I used to do. On nearly all my rides, it's downhill on the way out and uphill on the way back, so I hooked the chain over before coming back. Once on, it doesn't come off.

Looks like my ancient crank set is hollow tech
 

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Anthony,

I can send you a pedal sensor to fit to your hollotech if you want to use it.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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Anthony,

I can send you a pedal sensor to fit to your hollotech if you want to use it.
It is very tight against the BB when the crank is fitted on the original 118mm BB .
New BB is lovely and smooth running too. What does the alternate Pas look like?
 

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You will lose the smallest ring because the magnet disc is lashed to it and it's not as a nice fit as a factory made leftside PAS.



I hope you find a way to sort out your front derailleur.
The only alternative is to file off some alloy from the left crank to accommodate the leftside PAS.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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I stick with my new 127mm BB and left hand Pas . There must be a way to make it extend far enough to change into upper gear or that length BB would be useless wouldn't it?
 

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There are extenders for braise on derailleurs for 78 and 100 mm BBs in many MTB online stores. They are not cheap. I carry a glove in the pannier and swap the chain over by hand when the going gets really steep. Having a front derailleur is something that interests me and I am looking to see if I can make an extender myself from a piece of aluminium or have one made by the local machine shop.
 
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It should do, but you never know until you try it when you mix and match parts. They've always worked for me.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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This bike lark is making me feel such a noob, I can rebuild marine diesels and outboards with my eyes closed but missed out not fixing bikes as a kid. Given up with front derailleur for now.
Next issue is getting the rear wheel to run freely. When I tighten it up it spins but there is resistance. Is this right with a rear hub? Had quick release for so long nuts feel antiquated.
 

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motor wheels engage the motor when you spin backward but should spin freely forward. If it feels sticky spinning forward then check for brake binding.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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Brake caliper is off at the moment so not that. When pedaling off the ground there is what feels like a fair bit of resistance. More so when fully tightened to the frame but with no experience of hub motors I'm not sure what should feel right. When switched on it seems to power up and spin ok.
 

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how many revolutions do you get when you lift the motor wheel off the ground and spin it forward by hand? 5? 10?
 

Anthonyexmouth

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2.5-3 tops. I'll slacken it off and see what I get. I did have to pack out the recess in the freewheel to keep the frame off it. Maybe one of the washers is catching.
 

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it's easier to see where the binding comes from if the bike is upside down.
 

Anthonyexmouth

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It is upside down. Can't see anywhere externally that it's rubbing. There's no sound of rubbing. Just resistance/stiff. The wheel looks about 5mm off center in the frame away from the freewheel side. Did I read somewhere hub motors can be slightly off?
Would I be better with an internal locking nut instead of packing with washers?
 

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Did I read somewhere hub motors can be slightly off?
that is usually sorted out by washers or dishing the wheel when you true the wheel. It can be done after a few days.

The main thing is to check the anti-rotation washers.
Does your wheel look like this?

 

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