Free Public Transport for Everyone?

flecc

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I have quite a number of friends living in Greater London, all but one with driving licences having owned cars at various times. Well over half of them no longer own a car now, using public transport, supplemented for two of them by occasional bike use.

Also, up until about five years ago, it was common for 16/17 year old's on my large and fairly affluent estate to buy mopeds, but since then this has largely disappeared. Of the only two I know of since then, one sold his and has been on public transport for the last two years.

What has brought these changes about is partly the congestion charge, partly the high cost of motoring, and partly the free public transport provisions, and it's this last one I'm discussing here.

All youngsters to the age of 16 travel free on London's public transport, and up to 18 years if in full time education, as so many are these days. It's self-evident how much they enjoy this facility which is heavily used and immensely popular with them. All the over 60s also travel free, as do the disabled for all their lives, and they form nearly 11% of the population. This effectively means that with the average lifespan being about 80 years, an average of half of all lifetimes enjoy free transport (0 to 18, 60 to 80 = 38 years, plus the disabled proportion).

Since the evidence is that this reduces car/moped ownership and very greatly reduces usage of the remaining ones owned, perhaps now is a good time for the very bold step of universal free public transport for Londoners, funded from London taxation as the present free provision is.

As well as the advantages of reducing motor vehicle ownership and usage, having youngsters acclimatised to public transport throughout the whole of their developing years could change the whole culture and attitudes to motor vehicles.

In addition, removing the constraint of containing investment within fares income could result in enough investment to greatly improve the capacity and coverage of public transport, making public transport even more popular and further depressing the desire to use or even own personal motor vehicles.

So what do you think, could London be a transport provision model for the rest of the country's future? Could England or even Britain once again be a model for a future world to emulate?
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indalo

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I'm with you all the way on that one Ken....erm, sorry...Flecc!

Seriously, there's no downside and I think it would be well supported. I'm all for it Flecc!

Indalo
 

Willin'

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Sounds like a jolly good idea. When do we get the public transport infrastructure required as there isn't much up here as soon as you get out of an urban area. I get free public transport as I am an old git but I gave up using it as it took all day to do the simplest journeys distancewise. I am better off than a pal of mine though who has a bus service ONE day a week and he isn't that far out in the sticks.
 

flecc

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I am better off than a pal of mine though who has a bus service ONE day a week and he isn't that far out in the sticks.
I once was in a village that had a single morning bus on Wednesdays into a town 13 miles away, the bus doing the return trip in the afternoon. Nobody dared miss that!
 

Willin'

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I once was in a village that had a single morning bus on Wednesdays into a town 13 miles away, the bus doing the return trip in the afternoon. Nobody dared miss that!
Yup - exactly the same as my pal.
 

JuicyBike

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You've got my vote Mr Flecc!
...and to boot, there'll be so much more room for the anguished chelsea tractor owners to strut their stuff.
 

mike killay

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Sounds great for London.
Here in Swansea, I have a free bus pass for the whole of Wales, but I only use it once a year when I take my car in for MOT. It takes 30 minutes from my house to the garage and about
2 1/2 hours if I am lucky to get back.
Also, Swansea isn't flat and walking up hills is no longer an option for me.
Further, nearly all the buses only run in and out of the town centre. To get to the next village about 3 miles away, involves a 7 mile journey into town and a 10 mile journey back out on buses that only run infrequently. We simply do not have the population for anything else.
I cannot think of anyone living here who does not have a car.
 

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