Final limit at 250 watts EU ruling

eddieo

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We pay in less and take out more then many other EU countries apparently...the little englanders will be responsible for a tragic outcome, read yesterday that they are considering 25% VAT because ...wait for it....tax revenue lower then anticipated, HELLO! It's lower because they have put so many out of work? And the banks that caused all this and we bailed out have consistently refused to lend and feed those green shoots of recovery, would be laughable if not so tragic.

And some want to leave us to the tender mercy of these types of governments.:confused::rolleyes:
 

morphix

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We pay in less and take out more then many other EU countries apparently...the little englanders will be responsible for a tragic outcome, read yesterday that they are considering 25% VAT because ...wait for it....tax revenue lower then anticipated, HELLO! It's lower because they have put so many out of work? And the banks that caused all this and we bailed out have consistently refused to lend and feed those green shoots of recovery, would be laughable if not so tragic.

And some want to leave us to the tender mercy of these types of governments.:confused::rolleyes:
Tony Blair is to make a speech and urgent plea arguing for the UK to remain in EU and fully integrate.. I think the EU have put him up to this because they know UK is moving further away and exit looks on the cards... also Blair is being groomed for a permanent president position within EU and has ambitions in EU commission...the EU probably sees him as a bridge to UK and way of keeping UK in the EU...but Blair's credibility in UK politics isn't very high is it after the Iraq war trial and his past governance.

His argument is that UK won't survive economically without being part of the EU bloc...in fact, no countries will against the vast economic and political power of China, India, Brazil which he says will even overshadow the US and become the future superpowers.. he says its a case of Britain joins forces with EU and we go forward together to take on those rising powers, or Brtain loses all its power and becomes an irrelevant poor country.

Sounds like scaremongering and playing on loss of national pride/prestige... I'd sooner become like Switzerland and shrink from the world stage and have much reduced military power etc, but a better quality of life, than lose my country altogether into a United States of Europe. It's inevitable that other countries will grow and overshadow others, just as the US and UK situation, where they were once under us, and we were the main world power. We had to adjust eh, as America grew ecomonically and over took us. We will again and so will they when China's economy exceeds the US. Would that be dire for the UK and other countries? I don't think so, China still needs us as much as we need them, and as China's economy grows and their spending power, so they will be able to afford Western brands and goods, and more Western talent, so it will flow back to us.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't? Who can predict the future? Maybe the EU will collapse spectacularly in a few years from now, who's to say? And all those who countries who remained in and bailed out all these countries will be counting the cost. Or maybe it will be successful and over take the US as the new dominant world power and keep China in its place.

Some might see the EU as like a step towards a Star Trek vision of "earth federation" type governance..perhaps the US and EU would one day join together....the ultimate aim of globalisation?...where all the worlds governments eventually unite into one organisation. Would that be terrible or a benefit to humanity I wonder?
 
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flecc

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I think on this occasion Blair is right. Trying to become like Switzerland is unlikely to work, we aren't as European minded as they are. As I posted before, Switzerland is an amalgam of the people of three European nations with it's citizens speaking four languages, very European and multicultural. It seem too many of the British are very far from that, wanting to be just stubbornly British in isolation and notoriously bad with languages. I think the Swiss would be amused at the idea of Britain being like Switzerland.
 

flecc

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I even asked if they would cover a normal regular bicycle without electric motor. "No" was the answer. "nothing like that all, not even a horse" to quote his exact words.

I've sent an e-mail through to the insurance department just to double check, as I know sometimes the telesales people are not that clued up
He certainly wasn't clued up on insurance with his horse comment implying less dangerous than cycling. Horse riding accidents are a major cause of death and paralysis in Western countries and very much more dangerous than cycling.
 

morphix

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He certainly wasn't clued up on insurance with his horse comment implying less dangerous than cycling. Horse riding accidents are a major cause of death and paralysis in Western countries and very much more dangerous than cycling.
Let's see what they reply to my e-mail then I will post back in due course if it's a different answer :)
 

103Alex1

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You get £10m liability insurance for free with British Cycling membership. I'm no Londoner but the discount code tfl give worked for me - 12 months' membership including 3rd party liability cover for free for £12 using promo code TForL12 when taking out new membership. £1 a month is not a sum I'm especially worked up about mitigating :

Vouchers
 

morphix

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You get £10m liability insurance for free with British Cycling membership. I'm no Londoner but the discount code tfl give worked for me - 12 months' membership including 3rd party liability cover for free for £12 using promo code TForL12 when taking out new membership. £1 a month is not a sum I'm especially worked up about mitigating :

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Excellent, sounds like just the ticket.
 

GaRRy

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You get £10m liability insurance for free with British Cycling membership. I'm no Londoner but the discount code tfl give worked for me - 12 months' membership including 3rd party liability cover for free for £12 using promo code TForL12 when taking out new membership. £1 a month is not a sum I'm especially worked up about mitigating :

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So what abut the rest of the country ?. Really makes me want to join somethiing which is yet again London centric
 

103Alex1

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GaRRy, I don't live in London either and my address is not there. The discount code still works though for anyone. He who dares sometimes wins ;)
 

flecc

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So what abut the rest of the country ?. Really makes me want to join somethiing which is yet again London centric
Not really something to join. TfL is Transport for London, the organisation that overseas all London transport providers, bus companies, TfL's own tube network, borough run tram systems, the DLR (Docklands Light Railway) and the cross-Thames cable cars. TfL also run London's Oyster card that provides touch payment for all travel at discounted prices and can also be a credit card if required.
 

103Alex1

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^^ good point - it's British Cycling (the governing body of sport cycling in the UK) that you are joining and it is they who are the ones sorting the insurance. Take a read of their website ...

British Cycling / Home

I actually decided to join without considering the bonus of the liability insurance thrown in. They were very active in supporting our Olympic cycling team and are also very active in supporting competitive and non-competitive cycling of all sorts in UK. If all you want is the liability insurance that is fine, just get the "Ride" membership. You also get 12% off all purchases at Wiggle if you buy through their shop front and I've probably saved at least £12 doing that .. along with a load of other stuff.

TfL is a red herring - just a means to acquiring a 50% discount on your 1st year's British Cycling membership and in consequence your liability insurance for £12 max real cost. Does that make more sense now ?
 

GaRRy

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Its not a money thing Im just trying to work out why British Cycling appear to only be offering a discount to London residents as it does not bode well for a UK organisation. If the discount is available to all then great but why not say so ? or if TFL are paying the extra again I understand but that is not how it scans.

Any one know who the policy is with (i have a pretty good idea but would like to know ?)
 

103Alex1

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Its not a money thing Im just trying to work out why British Cycling appear to only be offering a discount to London residents as it does not bode well for a UK organisation. If the discount is available to all then great but why not say so ? or if TFL are paying the extra again I understand but that is not how it scans.

Any one know who the policy is with (i have a pretty good idea but would like to know ?)
I expect TfL are funding it and it's something they intended primarily for Londoners. But the code info is freely available on the old www so if others can also benefit owing to the way the software is set up (no cross-checking on addresses against discount code application) then I wouldn't ask too many questions about the whys, wherefors, rights or wrongs - just take advantage of it if you want to.

It's no different than when Windows set up discount codes at the start for upgrades to Windows 8 for £15 only meant for people buying computers in the new months running up to it coming in. Turned out anyone could get the relevant codes and when it went viral on-line they clamped down but those who had already benefitted got away with it.

British Cycling offer discounts of 10-20% via various campaign promotions but nothing like the size of this one even at the NEC show stand. Found it by accident googling for discounts on the web, tried it and it worked.

Don't know who the underwriters are but can easily ask. There is a dedicated British Cycling claims help line to handle claims if you are involved in an incident when wheeling or riding your bike.

Suggest read this : Third Party Liability Insurance
 

103Alex1

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Any one know who the policy is with (i have a pretty good idea but would like to know ?)
Liberty.

A copy of the policy can be viewed / downloaded here :

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/bc_files/corporate/2012_13Combined_Liability_LOAANFCM001_POLICY.PDF

Liability arising from the use of a derny (125cc max) or small moped on a track is included but specifically excluded if same are used on a public highway.

I called to ask about hub e-bikes with throttles but couldn't get a clear answer. Don't think the question had been posed before. They said they would be willing to pose a specific question to the underwriters on request but advised that crank-driven pedelecs which give assistance in response to pedal rotation only are definitely covered.
 

morphix

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Nationwide Building Society responded today to my e-mail...

"due to the specialised nature of your travel insurance query, please call our specialist travel insurance centre"

the same number I got transferred to when I called.. so I guess it's definitely no cover for e-bikes.