Energy Prices

tillson

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With the on-set of the annual inflation busting round of energy price hikes, it has reminded me how difficult it is to make a price comparison between the various energy suppliers. I don't know if I trust the comparison sites because if I enter my annual consumption for gas and electricity, I get different recommendations depending on which comparison site I use. How can this be? I suspect that it is because the sites negotiate a commission from the energy suppliers and that commission varies. Maybe they steer you towards the energy company which offers the most attractive commission?

Last year, I created a spread sheet into which I could enter my precise annual energy consumption for both gas and electricity. I then created columns for price per KWh (two tier where necessary) and Standing charge (if applicable). I then set about finding out how much each energy company charge per KWh so that I could enter the numbers into the spread sheet.

Three things became quickly apparent. Firstly, the energy companies don't make the £/KWh easy to find for their tariffs. It is possible with a bit of effort and when I did eventually find the figures, I was surprised to see that the cheapest tariff wasn't necessarily the headline one. And finally and perhaps the most surprising was that there was very little difference in annual cost between all of them (based on each companies cheapest tariff). Despite some using two tier pricing and others using a flat rate plus standing charge, there was less that 0.4% between the cheapest ones across the various companies.

For the final prices to be so close when they are all using different pricing structures can't be a coincidence. I suspect that there is collusion and price fixing at work here and this suspicion is based on the energy companies proactively hiding the unit cost of their energy and mixing it all up in a ridiculous array of tariffs.

Why don't the government act here and force them to have one tariff, the best £/KWh that they can offer? I suspect that the government's response will be that we are all far too stupid to understand the principle of buying energy by the unit. When I buy petrol, I effectively buy energy by the unit (£/litre) and I haven't died of stupidity. How ridiculous it would be if one garage charged x£/litre for the first 20 litres and then y£/litre for the remainder. Then if you drive down the road you see a garage selling petrol for x£/litre flat rate, but you need to commit to paying the garage 20p per day regardless of whether you purchased any petrol, to get that particular rate. This is exactly what the government are allowing these bandits to get away with. At least with the present petrol pricing system, you can see the unit energy rate and if you don't like it, you can drive on to the next garage. The same should happen with domestic energy, if British Gas put their unit price up, one mouse click should instantly transfer the customer to another provider.

I can't see this happening though whilst Mr Half Buttock face Cameron and the Nasal Gonk Miliband have influence. Energy provision in this country is a complete con and it was all started by Thatcher.
 

Blew it

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Back to the future

I have often thought the British public could break the energy cartel overnight. If all of us switched to the same supplier at the same time, surely this would leave the other five suppliers with no customers. I wouln't mind betting (just my old pencil case :eek:) there is goverment legislation that would stop us doing that.

Personally, I am returning to immediate post-war attitudes towards energy use. In our 'fifties family home, we had a single heat source, the coal fire in the living room which was lit when my Father returned home from work at 5:30 pm. We went to bed with a hot house brick wrapped in newspaper. We could not see out of the bedrooms windows in the mornings due to a thick layer of ice.... on the inside!...none of us died from the cold. It seems we were much hardier with robust immune systems in those days. Seemingly, we are now spoiling ourselves rotten with thermostats turned up to levels which allow T-shirt and jeans as standard indoor Winter wear.....time to toughen up!!

Anyhow, even though I can now afford to live in more comfortable conditions, I am starting to begrudge the amount of my pensions going into foreign shareholder's pockets, many of whom live in the warm sub-tropics, and know nothing about Winter heating bills.

This Winter, with the thermostat set at 18°C, it will be thermal long-johns, wooly cardigans, fleece-lined house boots and if needs be, a fleece track suit.

The red hot house brick will be substituted with one of those new-fangled hot water bottles. :D
 
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Croxden

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Jan 26, 2013
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Soft southerners.
 

tillson

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May 29, 2008
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I have often thought the British public could break the energy cartel overnight. If all of us switched to the same supplier at the same time, surely this would leave the other five suppliers with no customers. I wouln't mind betting (just my old pencil case :eek:) there is goverment legislation that would stop us doing that.

Personally, I am returning to immediate post-war attitudes towards energy use. In our 'fifties family home, we had a single heat source, the coal fire in the living room which was lit when my Father returned home from work at 5:30 pm. We went to bed with a hot house brick wrapped in newspaper. We could not see out of the bedrooms windows in the mornings due to a thick layer of ice.... on the inside!...none of us died from the cold. It seems we were much hardier with robust immune systems in those days. Seemingly, we are now spoiling ourselves rotten with thermostats turned up to levels which allow T-shirt and jeans as standard indoor Winter wear.....time to toughen up!!

Anyhow, even though I can now afford to live in more comfortable conditions, I am starting to begrudge the amount of my pensions going into foreign shareholder's pockets, many of whom live in the warm sub-tropics, and know nothing about Winter heating bills.

This Winter, with the thermostat set at 18°C, it will be thermal long-johns, wooly cardigans, fleece-lined house boots and if needs be, a fleece track suit.

The red hot house brick will be substituted with one of those new-fangled hot water bottles. :D
I like the idea of everyone switching to a single supplier leaving some companies with no customers. It would be interesting to see how the government would react. No doubt there will be legislation to save us all from our own stupidity. There will be good reasons why the government couldn't let it happen, but it will be far too complex for them to explain to us in a way that we can understand (this seems to be standard government speak when they finally run out of horse $h!t).

Like you, I can easily afford to heat my home, but I begrudge and detest paying every penny to these cartel operatives. Last winter, I relied heavily on a solid fuel burning stove.
Ironically, it was fed with wood cut by power company contractors clearing growth from the proximity of nearby power lines. I've still got a massive stash which should last a couple more winters.

Basically, the power companies and government have now conditioned us to paying £1000 to £1500 to heat an average home. If we cut our usage, the unit price will simply rise to maintain the £1000 to £1500 income per average household.

They have by the balls in a vice like grip and there is little that we can do to break that. Not because we don't have the power as consumers and voters, but because as a nation we are apathetic, sentimental and quite content to be $h!t on from a great height. Politicians, utility companies the banks and other. "great institutions", I have heard it said that they make us eat their @r$e holes whilst simultaneously sneering at us for not knowing which wine best accompanies their @r$e holes.

Perhaps we deserve all that we get.
 

peerjay56

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May 24, 2013
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Complete and blatant extortion. Not just energy, but all the utilities. And don't get me started on banks:mad:
 

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