ebike headache

burncycle

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Hi im a new member. Looking to buy an ebike.
50cycles look the closest and best. I've had lots of help from flecc.
What a minefield. Read the forums and now im even more confused at times.
Going for a demo asap. There's nothing like a demo to cut out the confusion.
Like when you buy a car i suppose.
 

flecc

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Burncycle is trying an Agattu at Loughborough. Although there's no immediate hill of any sort there, at least we know the Agattu will climb anything anyway, so that model wouldn't be a problem in Sheffield.
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burncycle

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Hi Flecc,
Good to hear from you.
My commute to work will be 5 miles only with a 484 foot climb on the ups and downs. And back again at the end of the day. So thats 10miles and nearly 1000 feet.
I go to work at 6am.
 

flecc

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Any reasonable e-bike will do that ok. My most regular ride to to one of the North Down high points is 490 feet in 4.9 miles, so almost identical gradient to that climb of yours. On the eZee Quando or my Q bike, either will do that without any pedalling except a few light twirls on a bit of 1 in 7 on the way.

On the Agattu when I was testing it, that uphill run was done at average of 11.4 mph using mostly standard power mode, with high power mode only on a couple of short steep bits. When repeating the run using high power mode all the time, the average speed was 11.9 mph, so very little gain and just wasting the battery for nothing really.

I'm 11 stones / 70 kilos and 72 years old. From that weight and your much younger age you'll be able to judge how it will be for you, but in any event, the Agattu would do your ten miles run with ease, all or almost all in standard power mode.

Of course on the return journey you'd be much faster, and I fly down that 4.9 mile run. On the steep bit downhill on the Agattu test I peaked at 31.4 mph.
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burncycle

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Feb 13, 2008
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Hi all,
I went to 50cycles this morning and God is was hard to find. They do keep it low key don’t they !
I tried the Torq and Agattu. I know nothing about cycles or ebike but here is my review.
I took them both out for a test run only for a short time as it was very very cold. As Tom will confirm.

Nothing technical here I may add.

Agattu.
If you read Flecc’s review of this bike, then he’s spot on. It’s a real cyclist’s bike. Its just like a normal cycle ! No wires and switches and all electrics seems very stealthy hidden.
You wouldn’t think its an ebike, until you ride it, then you feel like the 6 million dollar man.
It is very well made. Rides like silk. Brakes are great and it gives your pedeling a great deal of punch.
The seat was a bit hard. I also found with the bike that 2nd,3rd,4th gear was harldy used. Because of the power you had to quickly change to 5th and beyound often.
A fantastic bike.
But it didn’t look like it rode. I rode it feeling a bit like a school mistress going to school (Sorry Flecc). The handlebars are a bit strange and I didn’t really like the skirt gaurds on the wheels. I suppose it’s a man thing but the ride and the look just didn’t meet somehow. I can see the rational behind the Pro-Connect in ever way. The design seemed a bit dated in my view. This is a same because behind its meek exterior beats the true sense of a power assisted bike in ever sense.
It’s the future really !
In summary = Loved the bike, hate the look.

PS Hated the gear change too !

Torq (newest Model).

This is a very different bike to the Agattu. They carnt and shouldn’t be compared really, but here goes.
When riding the Torq it quickly comes across that the Torq is not as well made as the Agattu.
There’s lots of wires covered in black tape and things look brought together rather than being there in harmony. The ride is a bit stiffer and bumpier. The power came from the left handlebar grip, so like a motorbike.
It had two setting via a switch Normal and pedelec. I rode with both settings and I found the normal setting most helped my needs. I didn’t see the need for the pedelec really.
The brakes were great, no judder at all, often complained about I have found on previous models.
You really don’t need to pedel at all to whizz by, though I found by using the gears more than the power, was generally more fun. I felt you could use the gears more on this bike than the Agattu.
The gears are the best thing about the bike. They are operated by a thumb switch to the left.
I think the gears and gear shift is much better than the Agattu, but im no expert really.
The main bonus about the bike is it really looks great. The riding position is good and it really looks the part in my opinion.
The seat on the Torq is better also.
In summary = Love the Look, Adaptable, though im not sure its worth its money really !

I rode both bikes down a modest hill, full gears and full power and they both reached 32mph.
The Agattu was the fastest and easiest hill climber, but it was only a tiny hill. The Torq struggled more in general.
The Agattu is silent in operation. I went past a blind man and he didn't even hear me.
The Torq sounds like something is rubbing against your tyre when powered.

Generally im not a cycling enthusiast, im just looking for something to replace my car to get me to work ! I know that there will be days when im feeling under the weather or im ill or just feeling lazy.
My feeling is if I had the Agattu, then I may take the car because it is a constant pedel type cycle all the way there. Where as the Torq will get you there on your bad days, and you can leave the power alone on you good days. You Don’t really have that option with the Agattu. You have to pedel every day, hill or flat. It may seen lazy but these are the issues that often make or break it !

Hope this helps anyone who has been in the same position as me for the last few weeks.
My advise is do the miles to 50cycles and test drive the bikes you want.
You really have no idea until you try one.
But im sold !!!!!!!!!!!
 
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flecc

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Nice review of your inpressions Burncycle, thanks.

I'd guess that you are only used to derailleur gears, judging by your comments.

Derailleurs allow constant pedalling while changing, but have the disadvantage of not being able to be changed if you're suddenly brought to a standstill, so you can find yourself in top gear pointing uphill. There's also the disadvantages of more maintenance needed and vulnerability to damage.

Hub gear cycling means pausing a little between changes, but gears can be changed at a standstill. They also need virtually no maintenance and there's far less wear and tear on the chain. They do need to be run in to perform well, but they are just as slick operating as derailleurs once you are used to them. I'm thoroughly used to both, so I don't recognise the problem you had, since to me they are equally desirable in their own ways. In fact for a daily working bike, give me a hub gear every time for freedom from worry or maintenance problems.

Bike style is very subjective of course. Continental cyclists are usually very practical people, wanting a bike to do it's job well, so they often choose the step through style with the features you don't like simply because they are the most practical, easy step on and off, protection from spoke damage for children's feet and clothing, and wide bars for maximum control in all circumstances.

The British market is much more macho and style conscious, practicality taking second place to "looking good", as it is with cars in the UK as well of course. Not a problem though, since we have the choice.
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burncycle

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a cycling enthusiast will always put up a good retort Flecc. And its welcomed !
I still feel I should wait and go back to 50 cycles and try out the Pro-Connect. It should look good and it should ride like the Agattu.
It might be enough for me you see.
Im not too macho. We have a Citroen Berlingo Multispace and a Smart Fortwo and all our friends laugh at us !
 
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Bikerbob

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Thanks for your comparison, Burncycle, it was interesting to read the opinion of someone coming fresh to the bikes. Both would be high on my list when my present bike expires. The crossbar version of the Agattu may go some way to solving your concern about the looks. I noticed your new thread concerning the battery issues and I agree that it is difficult to settle on a bike until that is sorted out. The expert opinion seems to be that the lithium batteries should fare better in the 'softer' panasonic system in the Agattu than they have been doing in the Torq, and people have been complaining that NiMh battery versions are hard to get. 50cycles posted that they are seeking a solution to getting a new supplier of NiMh batteries but it won't be in the near future.
 
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Django

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Hi,

I would go with the Aggatu or wait until the situation concerning a distributor for Ezee cycles is sorted. As it stands, the future for those of us with Ezee bikes is far from certain in the UK.

Cheers,

Django
 

flecc

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Im not too macho. We have a Citroen Berlingo Multispace and a Smart Fortwo and all our friends laugh at us !
Nor me!

I wanted a much narrower car so I could get the bikes in and out of the garage without moving the car, and vice versa. The latest Smart Fortwo at 5' 1" was a possible, but there were two cars at 4' 11", the Perodua Kelisa and the Chevrolet Matiz, a GM redesign of the Daiwoo Matiz.

I chose the Matiz three weeks ago. Not much dynamically and it's lost it's "cute" that the Daiwoo had, but plenty good enough for a town car and very roomy with good access. When i go further afield I'll hire to suit, maybe a Lamborghini. :eek:

Another of our members has a Fiat Doblo, so we're good supporters of the oddball cars in here. :D
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burncycle

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But the great return about our cars is the The Berlingo only cost me £6500 new and its a fab car (for camping and putting bikes in the back).
I had a much higher budget but I just loved the Berlingo.
My friends didnt laugh that much when I told them what I payed for it new.
With the money I saved, we went to Florida for a month.

The Smart again is a cracking car. We have the Cabrio version. Its fab.
£35 a year Tax and it does 86mpg on average.
 

coops

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Nice comparison burncycle - thanks :).

Your description of the different ways the pedelec & throttle systems deliver power is pretty much how I imagined it to be - pedelec is more a power-assisted bicycle, while throttle is more a pedal-assisted motorbike/moped :D.

While I like the simplicity of no throttle & there are times I'd like not to have to throttle, I also prefer the control & flexibility of a throttle.

It seems ironic & counter-intuitive in a way that the more bike-like agattu might use the gears less than the more moped-like Torq! But I can see why that might be the case :).

I'm glad you had a useful albeit short testride & are now sold on ebikes! :D

Stuart.
 

flecc

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But the great return about our cars is the The Berlingo only cost me £6500 new and its a fab car (for camping and putting bikes in the back).
I had a much higher budget but I just loved the Berlingo.
Likewise, a much higher budget, but they had a promotion on the Matiz models and I got the top of the range £8200 model with all the luxuries plus sunroof for a straight £6100. Could never get a deal like that on the popular stuff. Oddball pays! :cool:

P.S. Just waiting for someone to come in and say "Hey, this is an e-bike forum".