Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Illegal acts?

This is interesting. I'm at the BBC today. I know a number of remain leaning journalists who would be delighted to run a story that could bring on a second referendum.

I promise to pass the info on and also promsise to keep your sources out of any public eye. Either let me know on here or please pm me and I will pass the allegations on. I can assure this will be followed up.

I await your evidence eagerly.

Unless you are lying?
Playing the idiot card again? you know there is a pending police investigation that is carefully being delayed, why aren't you so called Media people chasing it?

Because it suits your leave agenda to ignore crime of course.
By the way what's a promsise?
 

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Playing the idiot card again? you know there is a pending police investigation that is carefully being delayed, why aren't you so called Media people chasing it?

Because it suits your leave agenda to ignore crime of course.

Please. Elaborate. Not just vague, unspecified nonsense.

Take that tin foil off your head and let me know what illegal activities you are referring too.

Unless you are lying?
 
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Great stuff from Toby Young on how 'No-deal' can not be stopped if the govn't is determined to have things go that way:
he preaches to the converted.
Only one tory MP stands between the majority in the HoC, an absolute must to force no deal through the deadline, and new GE.
the fight will resume when parliament returns in September.
 
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Where is Dangermouse to keep Penrose in check?


Mark Francois MP

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THE THUNDERSTORMS ARE GODS WAY TO TELL US WE NEED TO GET ON WITH BREXIT

Now that is funny
 
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oldgroaner

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Please. Elaborate. Not just vague, unspecified nonsense.

Take that tin foil off your head and let me know what illegal activities you are referring too.

Unless you are lying?
Solid facts, something you avoid, since you exist only to spread lies and propaganda for the far right while claiming otherwise.
You are a fake, fingers, lying as usual
 

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Solid facts, something you avoid, since you exist only to spread lies and propaganda for the far right while claiming otherwise.
You are a fake, fingers, lying as usual

What facts?

I'm genuinely asking.

Why won't you tell us what you have uncovered? Seriously. I could make you a remain hero.

Unless you are lying?
 
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No we did not, far too many people were excluded and an illegal targeted last minute propaganda campaign was employed using illegally harvested data.
You know that but lie about it.
The only reason the Referendum couldn't be declared void in law was because it was advisory only and the Torys ignored that too.
If as is claimed TM was a remainer, why didn't she agree the Referendum was void?
And why did she try to get a deal?
Because the leave campaign made all those promises of better times to come to get the public support they needed, and she tried to achieve a deal in, line with that.
Now after all this time she is blamed for something Boris ran away from.

So now what do we have, Boris will be satisfied to get away with nothing for the public , just relief for the swindling rich protecting their off shore assets with a no deal Brexit.
Meanwhile lying through his teeth with another set of promises he has no intention of keeping to keep the plebs happy.
Nobody believes that.
 

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What facts?

I'm genuinely asking.

Why won't you tell us what you have uncovered? Seriously. I could make you a remain hero.

Unless you are lying?
Sorry fingers you are being boring again , seriously, this method you have of acting to fool discredits your position.
There is a story here that you should be investigating, not fooling about as you are
The Police are claiming not to have received documents?
Why aren't they demanding them then?
Big chance for you to get a booby prize there
 
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Sorry fingers you are being boring again , seriously, this method you have of acting to fool discredits your position.
There is a story here that you should be investigating, not fooling about as you are
The Police are claiming not to have received documents?
Why aren't they demanding them then?
Big chance for you to get a booby prize there

So that's your smoking gun is it?

We've finally managed to winkle it out of you? Well as Shania Twain said. That don't impress me much. I thought you had something big.

Hey, here's a thing.

The Remain parties were ACTUALLY fined by the Electoral commission for the very crime you are accusing the leave parties of!


Now. I will ask again. What ACTUAL facts have you got? What have you uncovered? Who has been arrested? What was the sentence? What crime was it?

Take the tin foil hat off old timer and stop making stuff up.

It makes you come across as a gullible fool.
 

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To suggest that FaceTube, or whatever it’s called, had a major impact on the referendum is preposterous. That type of media is likely to influence younger voters, and even that is a remote possibility. But let’s pretend it did influence them. You have said that young people couldn’t be arsed to vote, and that it’s old gits who voted for Brexit. So by your own logic, FaceTube and data harvesting had little impact.

The real reason people voted for Brexit is because Leave told a better quality of lie than Remain. It’s that simple.

It’s the same in the US. People voted for Trump because he’s more appealing than the Democrats offering of a sour faced washed up old ex-president ‘s wife. The Democrats haven’t learned from it. They are still whinging and talking America down and promoting that ghastly Gang of Four women.

It’s hilarious. Every time a vote doesn’t go the way the left want it to, it’s the Russians, or it’s FaceTube, or it’s lies, or it’s people are thick. It’s actually because the left aren’t offering what a majority want. Dead simple again.
 

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To suggest that FaceTube, or whatever it’s called, had a major impact on the referendum is preposterous. That type of media is likely to influence younger voters, and even that is a remote possibility. But let’s pretend it did influence them. You have said that young people couldn’t be arsed to vote, and that it’s old gits who voted for Brexit. So by your own logic, FaceTube and data harvesting had little impact.

The real reason people voted for Brexit is because Leave told a better quality of lie than Remain. It’s that simple.

It’s the same in the US. People voted for Trump because he’s more appealing than the Democrats offering of a sour faced washed up old ex-president ‘s wife. The Democrats haven’t learned from it. They are still whinging and talking America down and promoting that ghastly Gang of Four women.

It’s hilarious. Every time a vote doesn’t go the way the left want it to, it’s the Russians, or it’s FaceTube, or it’s lies, or it’s people are thick. It’s actually because the left aren’t offering what a majority want. Dead simple again.

Tbf the targeted voting on face twat etc WAS a major factor in Trump and Brexit winning. In as much as it galvanised people who do not normally vote. That is what ultimately won it for leave. But the bigger question was this illegal at the time?

The answer is an emphatic no.

Now if they harvest data illegally they can be investigated but people are so stupid they give their data away for free anyway. They are told this info will be used and still click to play a game or look at a picture.

But yes You Tube, Face twot, twatter were massive reasons, if not the main reasons Trump and Brexit won.

Check out the Doc on Netflix. The Great Hack.

Scary stuff.
 

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If the harvesting was illegal, they always could be investigated. It was more a matter of which jurisdiction and whether there was a will, a prospect of conviction and all the other things that determine whether an investigation actually goes ahead.

That is the point I was making. It wasn't illegal at the time.
 

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It’s actually because the left aren’t offering what a majority want. Dead simple again.
when Sky asked JC how he is going to stop BJ's brexit, his answer was 'he and his Labour candidates vow to fight inequality'.
Obviously not to stop brexit.
the 48% desparately needs a leader and who is it going to be?

JC:
"We have many other policy announcements in place, particularly the ones on the Green Industrial Revolution and the Green New Deal that we're putting forward, and working out more details on our health and social care policies.

"But fundamentally it's about reducing inequality in Britain and about investing in good quality sustainable jobs for the future through the Green Energy Revolution."
 

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Another important subject - which I can't see any reply from you about - is me asking you what system of government you would have seeing as you obviously don't believe in democracy.
There is an alternative, the benevolent dictatorship, but since that is impossible to guarantee it's not an option.

Democracy with all its many faults is realistically the only option. I don't know why you believe I think otherwise, perhaps you can explain?

This is what your posted:

"Remember - democracy is one man/woman one vote. Regardless of how 'educated' you think they are. "

and that is what we've got.
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50Hertz

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when Sky asked JC how he is going to stop BJ's brexit, his answer was 'he and his Labour candidates vow to fight inequality'.
Obviously not to stop brexit.
the 48% desparately needs a leader and who is it going to be?
That's why people don't vote for them.

In Labour land:

Fight inequality = A waster will get the job promotion ahead of the person who has worked hard.

Green Revolution = Stuff & petrol will cost more. (Nobody gives a stuff about being Green anyway. Not really, not when it comes down to it)
 
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