Brexit, for once some facts.
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Tory MP Julian Lewis pressed for the UK to leave without a deal and to go onto World Trade Organisation terms.
He said: “I, together with 158 of my colleagues – more than half of the Tory party – voted that we should leave on WTO terms and I think that should be the right solution.”
If that's the case TM really really needs JC onboard - can't see her conceding to his workers protections, 2nd referendum etc. She and her plan is being slowly crushed, trapped between the vice of hardened divisions.
I wouldn't put anything past the current government. So long as it seems to be in the interests of quite a number of their MPs.
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Irony - apparently on 21st and 27th March, malicious obstructions were placed on a railway track. Threatening to bring the country to its knees because "Leave means leave". As if brexit isn't doing that anyway!
As I see it, blackmail and threats are what we absolutely do not want from anyone. To think that someone could do things like this and claim it is for the benefit of the UK!
As I see it, blackmail and threats are what we absolutely do not want from anyone. To think that someone could do things like this and claim it is for the benefit of the UK!
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I think her idea of working together and a cross party agreement is to wear people down until they support her stupid deal. No other options will be up for consideration.
it's the backstop. TM wanted it as insurance against the ERG.
It protects NI against her future replacement, at least in the short term until new GE.
she can do a deal with JC but my guess, she won't. He will help her run down the clock then she'll adopt one of the solutions that parliament will agree through the indicative votes.
I guess when the clock runs out, she can always go Kyle Wilson way, 400 MPs will vote for her and confirmatory referendum.
So now the tory party consists solely of its MPs?
He can think it should be the right solution - his choice. But it isn't. He doesn't even say it is.
I’ve just seen that MP in the TV who was the intended murder victim of a piece of racist scum. She, and other MPs are calling for greater protection.
Would that be protection from the police who she and probably other MPs voted to cut back on? Cut backs to the police which have left them unable to protect the public properly.
As unacceptable as violence against MPs, or any person is, I don’t see why MPs should be a special case. They will just be required to take their chances, and if some loony blasts them straight in the bean, it’s TSB. They, the MPs, sanctioned the cuts.
Would that be protection from the police who she and probably other MPs voted to cut back on? Cut backs to the police which have left them unable to protect the public properly.
As unacceptable as violence against MPs, or any person is, I don’t see why MPs should be a special case. They will just be required to take their chances, and if some loony blasts them straight in the bean, it’s TSB. They, the MPs, sanctioned the cuts.
I’m liking the idea of another public vote. That could sort this mess out rather quickly without a need for negotiations and withdrawal agreements.
Sorry 50 Hz, while I can understand your frustration , Public Representatives are a special case.
In part i agree - when an mp is physically attacked, representative democracy is being attacked, we need to protect that at any cost - but in part i don't, my OH had to travel through north london yesterday,while the four serial stabbings had happened, under the tories we live in an increasingly divided society in which ordinary lives dont matter
If it delivers a very clear result then, yes, it might be a major step towards sorting this out. My concern is if it doesn't do so. If it is a knife-edge result, it does nothing positive.
Then we have the issues like turnout, voter manipulation, eligibility for voting, etc.
I could be wrong, but I sense that there is a shift towards remain amongst the public. I think remain could win in second vote by a greater margin than leave won by during the first vote.
It seems as though people now have a clearer understanding of the country’s ability to work and survive outside of the EU. We now have some actual evidence of this, as opposed to theories at the time of the last referendum.
That is just a guess, so don’t hold me to it.
I think your correct there seems to be a definite shift in public opinion over the last few weeks towards remain. I think people are now far better informed now then they were 3 years ago as to what leaving actually means. I know a couple of people that were very strong leavers and although they would not vote to remain in another referendum they both said they would not bother to vote.
I suspect there are an awful lot of people who would do exactly the same thing, and that a lot of remain voters that did not bother to vote last time because they thought remain would win, would make sure they voted next time.
The one thing we do need to remember though was that remain started off the campaign with a big lead and frittered it was with their hopeless effort, the same thing could happen again.
Now that is a risk worth taking, for how could we possibly be worse off if it's a draw?
parliament will have to work on it again that's all.
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I tried to make that reply neutral. But I do agree that a near-draw would likely cause exasperation rather than a fundamental change.
Is Mays plan to meet with Jeremy an attempt to pass some of the blame onto
him when the talks fail.
him when the talks fail.