Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

From todays Irish Times ....

"With an uncharacteristic flash of Churchillian passion, German chancellor Angela Merkel has promised to push for an orderly UK departure from the EU “to the last day, to the last hour”.

Her promise follows a new German study suggesting the Republic of Ireland would be the second-biggest economic loser from a hard Brexit, with an annual loss off economic power equivalent to €720 per head of population.

The study by the Bertelsmann Foundation found that a no-deal Brexit would cost Germany about €10 billion annually, or €115 per head of population. Britons have the most to fear: an economic slump of €57 billion annually or €900 per head of population.

After Ireland (€720 per capita), the study says a hard Brexit would hit hardest, in order, France and Italy."

Obvious really....

 

[tommie]

Thanks for flagging it up. i tried to sign it a moment ago but am still waiting for confirming email. It said its up to seven hundred and something thousand
edit - its worked (email came through)! parliament considers debating any petition over hundred thousand

Well, well, well!! How low can the Losers stoop.. tut-tut!! What a Sham..how embarassing

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

Signatures have even come from non-country ‘Western Sahara’, and Vatican City. Remainers are using sham numbers, dodgy foreign actors, and disinformation

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Well, well, well!! How low can the Losers stoop.. tut-tut!! What a Sham..how embarassing

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

Signatures have even come from non-country ‘Western Sahara’, and Vatican City. Remainers are using sham numbers, dodgy foreign actors, and disinformation

Your post, coming as it does, from a fervent supporter of farage and boris - with all the moral authority that carries - i think youll understand if i take it with several kilotons of weapons grade salt.

 

[oyster]

Your post, coming as it does, from a fervent supporter of farage and boris - with all the moral authority that carries - i think youll understand if i take it with several kilotons of weapons grade salt.

Seems only yesterday that brexit supporters were crowing about how many signatures "their" petition had gathered.

Brexit re article 50 it must not be suspended/stopped under any circumstances

116,484 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/224908

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

840,840 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

 

[Danidl]

Well, well, well!! How low can the Losers stoop.. tut-tut!! What a Sham..how embarassing

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

Signatures have even come from non-country ‘Western Sahara’, and Vatican City. Remainers are using sham numbers, dodgy foreign actors, and disinformation

If the IT Crowd in the British Government are so inept, that they have not yet discovered geo locking, perhaps they need to talk with the BBC,SKY NOW and virtually every other commercial company who have made this a standard procedure.

 

[tommie]

Your post, coming as it does, from a fervent supporter of farage and boris - with all the moral authority that carries - i think youll understand if i take it with several kilotons of weapons grade salt.

Then do your own research, it`s a simple task?
Investigate the petitions own raw data.
You can do that by yourself, can`t you??

PS. Dan is correct....Again!!


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[oyster]

Then do your own research, it`s a simple task?
Investigate the petitions own raw data.
You can do that by yourself, can`t you??

PS. Dan is correct....Again!!


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For balance, the same analysis on the pro-brexit petition, please.

 

[flecc]

Then do your own research, it`s a simple task?
Investigate the petitions own raw data.
You can do that by yourself, can`t you??

PS. Dan is correct....Again!!


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It just shows how widely travelled Remainers are!
.

 

[Fingers]

From todays Irish Times ....

"With an uncharacteristic flash of Churchillian passion, German chancellor Angela Merkel has promised to push for an orderly UK departure from the EU “to the last day, to the last hour”.

Her promise follows a new German study suggesting the Republic of Ireland would be the second-biggest economic loser from a hard Brexit, with an annual loss off economic power equivalent to €720 per head of population.

The study by the Bertelsmann Foundation found that a no-deal Brexit would cost Germany about €10 billion annually, or €115 per head of population. Britons have the most to fear: an economic slump of €57 billion annually or €900 per head of population.

After Ireland (€720 per capita), the study says a hard Brexit would hit hardest, in order, France and Italy."

Obvious really....

Is that the sound of the penny landing or is it still dropping?

We all know this is how the EU negotiate but have they miscalculated how thick May is?

The backstop will be changed that much is obvious. It will probably be enough to get it through but it shouldn’t be. It’s a terrible deal for the UK. I’ve always felt the backstop argument was a smokescreen for the more sinister and binding aspects of the treaty.

39bn for a worse deal than we have now.

Well played May!

I’m still holding out she is so dumb we get the wto deal. Maybe she is a genius and this was her plan all along....

 

[Woosh]

Then do your own research, it`s a simple task?
Investigate the petitions own raw data.
You can do that by yourself, can`t you??

PS. Dan is correct....Again!!

the parliament website is neutral.
Out of 902,712 petitioners, 866,425 (96%) are from the UK, 4% are from overseas petitioners.
The number of overseas petitioners (36,287 or 4%) is relatively modest.
To me, there is no obvious sign of cheating.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json

"signature_count":902712
{"name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":866425}

France: 7569
Spain: 4197

 

[tommie]

the parliament website is neutral.
Out of 902,712 petitioners, 866,425 (96%) are from the UK, 4% are from overseas petitioners.
The number of overseas petitioners (36,287 or 4%) is relatively modest.
To me, there is no obvious sign of cheating.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json

"signature_count":902712
{"name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":866425}

France: 7569
Spain: 4197

Truly amazing!

There's even 11 signatures from Tuvalu, 4th smallest country in the world !!

 

[Woosh]

Truly amazing!

There's even 11 signatures from Tuvalu, 4th smallest country in the world !!

there are a lot of Brits abroad.
4% of Brits living overseas is roughly about right.

 

[tommie]

there are a lot of Brits abroad.

Yeah course... Tuvalu is swarming with them this time of year

 

[Woosh]

Yeah course... Tuvalu is swarming with them this time of year

If you take France as a yardstick, about 300,000 Brits live in France, 7600 have aldeady signed the petition, that's over 2%.
Tuvalu is ex British colony, so you would normally expect some are British Nationals.
Even if only 1% are UK nationals, that's 120 people and probably half of them are remainers.

 

[oyster]

If you take France as a yardstick, about 300,000 Brits live in France, 7600 have aldeady signed the petition, that's over 2%.
Tuvalu is ex British colony, so you would normally expect some are British Nationals.
Even if only 1% are UK nationals, that's 120 people and probably half of them are remainers.

More than 2% of several UK constituencies have voted already.

 

[oyster]

Yeah course... Tuvalu is swarming with them this time of year

Apparently, now is a Good time of year there.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294482-d585037-Reviews-Filamona_Guesthouse_Funafuti-Funafuti.html

 

[oldgroaner]

It might be reasonable to try to permit TM to resign with what might pass as dignity. What is utterly intolerable is for her to get another job, senior, junior or toilet scrubbing. Absolutely anything she were appointed to would be so heavily contaminated by her history that it would be impossible for her to perform it properly.

(A new brush and toilet duck might help a bit. But still not adequate.)

Senior Eurosceptics were discussing ways to give May a “dignified exit” if her deal passes next week, perhaps by offering her another senior job if she promises to resign soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/prime-minister-faces-increasing-pressure-to-quit-

This woman has cost the country far too much to deserve anything other than a dishonourable discharge (Hmm that sounds like one of Moggs speeches)

 

[tommie]

Apparently, now is a Good time of year there.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294482-d585037-Reviews-Filamona_Guesthouse_Funafuti-Funafuti.html

and no doubt you can account for North Korea?? !! The No1 go to place for British trippers

 

[Danidl]

Is that the sound of the penny landing or is it still dropping?

We all know this is how the EU negotiate but have they miscalculated how thick May is?

The backstop will be changed that much is obvious. It will probably be enough to get it through but it shouldn’t be. It’s a terrible deal for the UK. I’ve always felt the backstop argument was a smokescreen for the more sinister and binding aspects of the treaty.

39bn for a worse deal than we have now.

Well played May!

I’m still holding out she is so dumb we get the wto deal. Maybe she is a genius and this was her plan all along....

Wow!. I have to agree with you that the
1. The backstop is a smokescreen.always was
2. I try not to comment on individual UK politicians ,but last nights press statement was a monumental own goal.
3. The 39b needs to be paid whatever. ..otherwise the UK becomes nth. korea.
4. The EU have stopped negotiations. .. now they could reopen them if there was a change in government.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well, well, well!! How low can the Losers stoop.. tut-tut!! What a Sham..how embarassing

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

Signatures have even come from non-country ‘Western Sahara’, and Vatican City. Remainers are using sham numbers, dodgy foreign actors, and disinformation

Truly only a simpleton could fail to spot that this is fake news, and one of our residents did
Well done tommie where is this supposedly proof of a remainer plot?
Just as likely to be Putin's merry men and women, but you had to try and blame remainers, didn't you?
Why? simply because you were desperate to score points again.

Dodgy foreign actors were the tools of choice of the leave campaign remember?
However I will say this there was a Petition calling for a re run of the Referendum in 2017 which reached 4 Million signatures, 77,000 of those were rejected and the Government simply mentioned it's existence and ignored it.
This one won't make any difference and yes I signed it, after all I respond to your posts, don't I?