Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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Front page today "Boris Bins Brexit"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-dumps-brexit-parliamentary-13944587
Boris Johnson dumps Brexit parliamentary paperwork in fuel station bin
EXCLUSIVE: The king of gaffes dumped 70 pages of work into a petrol station trash can - including handwritten memos on the economy
Bumbling Boris Johnson has trashed his own Brexit plans – dumping a load of paperwork in a petrol station bin.


The calamitous Conservative stuffed 70 pages of parliamentary work in the rubbish container after pulling up with a passenger, thought to be new love Carrie Symonds, 30.
But he was in such a rush that some pages fell to the ground as he ran across the forecourt to pay for his petrol.


The documents – including handwritten memos on the economy, the Irish backstop and his Brexit views – were picked up by a baffled member of the public and shown to the Sunday Mirror.


The finder said: “He says he wants to be Prime Minister. But how could he look after the country when he can’t even keep hold of his own notes on the biggest crisis in decades? It’s really unbelievable he put these documents in a public bin without shredding them.


“But he is just like you imagine him in real life, blustering about with no awareness.”



In the handwritten notes and official documents, 54-year-old BoJo suggested there is “no strategy” for leaving the EU without a deal.

That last bit is interesting..........
The Mirror? Again - seriously?
 

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More nonsense from somebody who doesn't care about the consumer and only interested in the special interests at work - while claiming the opposite.
What ? are you actually trying to pretend that your promoting American Factory farming over our own is caring for the consumer?
You want to feed them rubbish because it's cheap?
Now why would you be keen on that?
Because you serve "Let's Make America Great Again "
Your job is to try and sell Bannon's poison here, isn't it?
Destroy the welfare state, Privatise the NHS ,and make us a vassal of America.
No thank you.
 
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OxygenJames

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isn't there a general trend downwards interms of people buying new vehicles. Probably down to many factors, Brexit being one of them. Also govt keeps messing about with taxes and allowances etc. A friend of mine has for the last 3 or 4 years had a Mitsubishi Outlander hybrid 2 of them . This year he has gone back to diesel because all deals have ended. They seem to keep moving the goalposts. I suppose another reason is that cars are so much better made these days, less prone to rusting so people are hanging on to them. My car is 8 years old and I decided to have a look round, but I would have had to pay a lot of money out for a much lower spec so didn't bother
I'm still driving an 04 Mini Cooper. Keep thinking I should get something newer but I can never quite be ars8d.
 

OxygenJames

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What ? are you actually trying to pretend that your promoting American Factory farming over our own is caring for the consumer?
You want to feed them rubbish because it's cheap?
Now why would you be keen on that?
Because you serve "Let's Make America Great Again "
Your job is to try and sell Bannon's poison here, isn't it?
Destroy the welfare state, Privatise the NHS ,and make us a vassal of America.
No thank you.
You just don't get it do you.

And I can see that no amount of explaining it will make a jot of difference in your case.
 

oldgroaner

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The Mirror? Again - seriously?
And the Daily Mail and the Sun, Channel 4 news, MSN, etc etc.

What is wrong with you? are you unable to check facts for yourself? or are you using the Trump Fake News trope because your precious Brexit is clearly in the hands of incompetent fools?
 
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What if we want food of a 'lower' standard? Ever thought of that? Like I say - what if we don't care for your 'high' standards? If I am happy with US chicken (as approx 340m Americans are) - and its 30% cheaper - why can't I buy it? Because you say so huh? Well **** you.
are Americans dying from eating chlorinated chicken. Is it also a fact that a lot of the bagged salads that we buy washed in a chlorine solution
 
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we can get that stuff cheaper.
But you're right that IS a political decision. One you would think is a no-brainer but with this lot in power it's anybody's guess.
While I agree with you on market forces of course, there is another factor which will influence politicians.

The maintenance of a large and healthy active domestic farming sector is an essential component of our defence strategy, and a reason for subsidies to be applied if necessary.

Like me, they and the civil service have not forgotten the lesson of World War Two in this respect.
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What if we want food of a 'lower' standard? Ever thought of that? Like I say - what if we don't care for your 'high' standards? If I am happy with US chicken (as approx 340m Americans are) - and its 30% cheaper - why can't I buy it? Because you say so huh? Well **** you.
I thought I had carefully asked where it said that - not that it was essentially wrong.

It could be the case that some EU standards are wrong-headed, excessive, or whatever. But nothing that I saw from the leave campaign said that I personally would have to put up with lower standards because we won't even have the choice. As I have repeated, choice is only possible if the information is available.

From my own point of view, allowing bromine-based flour conditioner would be terribly wrong. Hormone-injected cattle, chlorinated chicken, etc., are possibly more arguable though my personal view is I do not want them.
 

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are Americans dying from eating chlorinated chicken. Is it also a fact that a lot of the bagged salads that we buy washed in a chlorine solution
And a salad has how much internal mass compared to a chicken that is likely to be internally contaminated with dodgy growth hormones and other drugs?
Oh Dear not a very good comparison
 
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While I agree with you on market forces of course, there is another factor which will influence politicians.

The maintenance of a large and healthy active domestic farming sector is an essential component of our defence strategy, and a reason for subsidies to be applied if necessary.

Like me, they and the civil service have not forgotten the lesson of World War Two in this respect.
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That is far too complicated for our resident leave supporters to consider, market forces will protect us at all times no matter what goes wrong is the extent of their understanding.
 
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OxygenJames

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Andrew Neil just now:

"The global car industry is in crisis, for various reasons. None more so than Nissan, whose recent boss is in jail. Brexit has added to the global troubles for those operating in Britain. The loss of the X-Trail is bad news. But it’s interesting it’s not going elsewhere in EU."
 

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are Americans dying from eating chlorinated chicken. Is it also a fact that a lot of the bagged salads that we buy washed in a chlorine solution
Our foods have all sort of horrors in their preparation.

Take a can of tangerine segments, this is how they are produced:

First the fruit are blasted with superheated steam to jellify the peel and make it fall off. Then the inner fruit is dumped into a hydrochloric acid bath to dissolve the skin from the segments to leave them free. Next they go into a caustic soda bath to neutralise the hydrochloric acid. From there it's into two water baths to wash off the caustic soda, thence into the cans.

Meanwhile all the rejected fruits at the input are squeezed for their juice, that is topped up with water which is then used to fill the cans before sealing.

Yummy!!

And then there's the production of decaffeinated coffee. That uses Methylene Chloride, Ethyl Acetate or Formaldehyde to remove the caffeine and there is always a residual of those in the decaff we buy and drink.
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OxygenJames

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are Americans dying from eating chlorinated chicken. Is it also a fact that a lot of the bagged salads that we buy washed in a chlorine solution
Prefkcu8ng-cicesly.

Don't confuse OG with facts though. He's not had his evening sherry yet and is probably still leafing through his copy of the Daily Mirror for information that lends weight to his complaints about Brexit and life in general.
 
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OxygenJames

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Our foods have all sort of horrors in their preparation.

Take a can of tangerine segments, this is how they are produced:

First the fruit are blasted with superheated steam to jellify the peel and make it fall off. Then the inner fruit is dumped into a hydrochloric acid bath to dissolve the skin from the segments to leave them free. Next they go into a caustic soda bath to neutralise the hydrochloric acid. From there it's into two water baths to wash off the caustic soda, thence into the cans.

Meanwhile all the rejected fruits at the input are squeezed for their juice, that is topped up with water which is then used to fill the cans before sealing.

Yummy!!

And the there's the production of decaffeinated coffee. That uses Methylene Chloride, Ethyl Acetate or Formaldehyde to remove the caffeine and there is always a residual of those in the decaff we buy and drink.
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Sorry Flecc - this doesn't fit with Woosh or whoever's narrative that the EU standards are perfect and the US and anybody else's are rubbish.

They won't be amused.
 
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