Brexit, for once some facts.

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Back in the day bonuses were for performance over and beyond expectations. Under performing you lost or got the sack or both...

Nowadays we have creative accounting which creates growth out of thin air so those bonuses are probably justified by today's standards...
 
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Would you pay any money to seek advice from any Tory MP about Brexit?
When,in all honesty,they dont know what Brexit means to the Tory party.
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But they do have some expertise to offer.
Boris on betrayal
Gove on Backstabbing
May on incompetence
Davis on Lying and deceit
And of course there's always Jackass, the very model of an 18th Century Upper Class Twit.
They should sign him up if they run another Regency version of Blackadder as the Prince of Wales.
 
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And of course there's always Jackass, the very model of an 18th Century Upper Class Twit.
he looks and speaks like a furniture salesman.
 

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apparently section 43.3 of Gibraltar constitution gives its Chief Minister the right to veto any brexit deal.

(3) Without prejudice to the United Kingdom’s responsibility for Gibraltar’s compliance with European Union law, matters which under this Constitution are the responsibility of Ministers shall not cease to be so even though they arise in the context of the European Union.
Gibraltarians are autonomous on matters of trade.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gibraltar-brexit-veto-theresa-may-eu-deal-terms-chief-minister-fabian-picardo-spain-border-a8183946.html
 
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So a leaked Government Document gives a cost of Brexit
According to Radio 4 this morning.

Growth Reductions
  1. Hard Brexit 8%
  2. Soft Brexit 5%
  3. Special Deal 2%
Liam fox no less has been quoted as saying "People will have to get used to Disappointment"
And Jackass Grease Smug has said in the Express
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Expressing his frustration with the Government’s handling of negotiations, Jacob Rees-Mogg his out at the Conservative front-bench last week.

He said: “The British people did not vote for that. They didn’t vote for management of decline.

Logically they didn't vote for Brexit on the terms above then did they?
None of the alternatives offers positive growth do they?
Nor do they take account that the EU growth is improving as ours declines.
How does he justify his hard Brexit position?
Brexit smacks quite simply of Treason to the "Will of the people"


BRINO it is it seems!

BREXITBREXIT would be the wiser choice
 
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Remember, it didn't start with gas chambers or jackboots on the ground. It started with politicians dividing people. It started with "us vs them". It started with intolerance and hate speeches. It started with the demonisation of immigrants, refugees and anyone deemed 'unfit'. It started when people stopped caring, became desensitised and closed their eyes to events unfolding around them...........

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I cant believe I am saying this but I do think Rees-Mogg as PM would be a good thing. Theresa May has achieved nothing over her period in office because she has been occupied with keeping the warring factions within the Tories apart. If Rees-Mogg is PM we will at least get some movement even if its in the wrong direction,some tribal warfare within the Tories and Corbyn will also have to take a position,it will bring all out in the open.
I hate Rees-Mogg but he is a clear orator,he wants us to clean break from the EU,he will put the fear of god into Barnier because he wont be a ditherer like May and ultimately they may be forced to give us a better deal than May will achieve. There must be many EU companies who are very worried about big tariffs between the UK and EU ,they currently see Brexit as the EU negotiations working for them,Rees-Mogg and his band of right wingers will look selfishly to what suits them.
See May has gone off to China,didnt she go to India the last time she was under some pressure...could be she will come back to a leadership challenge,oh no not Boris!!!!!
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Comments from Macron,the new power in the EU....

He stressed that the UK would not be able to gain access to the single market without first agreeing to “preconditions”, which would include freedom of movement, budget contributions and the jurisdiction of the European court of justice.

He said: “There should be no cherry-picking in the single market because that’s a dismantling of the single market.

“As soon as you decide not to join the [EU] preconditions it’s not a full access. What is important is to not make people believe that it is possible to [have your cake and eat it].”

Not sure what the Brexiteers would make of those 'preconditions'....sounds like being part of the EU but without any power but still abiding by their rules...is this what May refers to as 'a deep and special relationship'????
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I hate Rees-Mogg but he is a clear orator
no, he's not.
He just delivers the brexit sermon - things like trust in the British people, higher growth outside the EU sounds like obvious truths but if you look more into details, these things are already factored into our economy. Brexit does not suddenly make the UK more productive.
 

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I cant believe I am saying this but I do think Rees-Mogg as PM would be a good thing. Theresa May has achieved nothing over her period in office because she has been occupied with keeping the warring factions within the Tories apart. If Rees-Mogg is PM we will at least get some movement even if its in the wrong direction,some tribal warfare within the Tories and Corbyn will also have to take a position,it will bring all out in the open.
I hate Rees-Mogg but he is a clear orator,he wants us to clean break from the EU,he will put the fear of god into Barnier because he wont be a ditherer like May and ultimately they may be forced to give us a better deal than May will achieve. There must be many EU companies who are very worried about big tariffs between the UK and EU ,they currently see Brexit as the EU negotiations working for them,Rees-Mogg and his band of right wingers will look selfishly to what suits them.
See May has gone off to China,didnt she go to India the last time she was under some pressure...could be she will come back to a leadership challenge,oh no not Boris!!!!!
KudosDave
Rees Mogg? he is nothing more that a clone of the smooth talking villain of the Goon Show, Hercules Grytpype Thynne, voiced by Peter Sellers in imitation of the all "too British" smooth and persuasive voice of George Sanders.

"Have this photograph of a Shilling lad,
And there's more where that came from."

Isn't that pretty much the sort of offer Brexit represents?
Con man second class.
 
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oldgroaner

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the Government are investing in a truly bizarre scheme concerning electric cars.
The notion is
The cars will be charging up while everyone is at work. Really? where?How?
Imagine the infrastructure!!
When they get home during the peak power consumption hour the cars will download power into the National Grid, then charge back up again when demand is low and utilise cheap power from the wind farms to do so.
And how many houses are close enough to the vehicles to do that?
And think of the losses in the process!
And who pays for this power?

As Baldric of Blackadder might observe, "Sir, I have a clever plan"
the problem is that it is so full of holes it makes the average colander seem like a watertight vessel.
The Morning rush hour should be amusing as demand skyrockets and everyone unplugs to head for work!

Shades of the old "Andy Capp" cartoon, where he switches of the heat and shouts to Flo "Put yer coat on woman, I'm goin' out!"

More fruit from the Money tree wasted!
Lets look at this pragmatically, it is after all a Business Plan that puts Brexit in the shade.
a quick thinking Technical Agency/ consultancy should be able to fleece the Government for years with such a scheme, with a few pilot schemes showing imaginary promise, before giving themselves and the shareholders eye watering payouts and going "Belly up!"

Highly Commended, and they already have their foot in the door as the Government is desperate to show how the new High Tech Brexit UK will be World leading in energy conservation.

"The goodness will flow" :cool::cool:
The Caveat being when a thing looks too good to be true.........
And things that "Flow" usually do downhill.

Enough of this Remoaner pessimism, lets see a bit of "Honest Graft" I believe it's called.
 
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From the Express
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BBC Brexit BIAS row: Fury over 'two THIRDS of guests on flagship shows being anti-Leave'
THE BBC has been branded a “supporter of a foreign organisation” against British interests after new evidence emerged of its supposed heavy pro-Remain bias in selecting guests."
he accusation by former Tory chairman Lord Tebbit came during question in the House of Lords ahead of a new damning report which shows that two thirds of guests on BBC Question Time and Any Questions over the last two years have been anti-Brexit.

The analysis by the Institute for Economic Affairs follows another report by the thinktank Civitas last week which revealed that between 2005 and 2015 only 132 of the 4,275 guests asked to speak on the Today programme about the EU supported Leaving.

Raising concerns about the whether the BBC is producing EU propaganda rather than balanced coverage, Ukip peer Lord Pearson urged ministers to intervene.

Lord Pearson noted: “The Brexit Secretary, Mr David Davis, recently said to me that his job in Brussels is made even more difficult because every time he makes a small advance there he is promptly undermined by the BBC."

I find this a bit strange to be honest and wonder if i have been watching a different show?
Has anyone else the same feeling?
 
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In the Guardian, an example of the moral standards of the human scum that constitute a "Centre Right Think tank"
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EU migrant visas 'should be for those working antisocial hours'
Post-Brexit immigration policy should cut number of low-skilled migrants, says thinktank
A post-Brexit immigration policy should include a deep cut in the number of low-skilled European migrants coming to work in Britain, with the priority given to only those willing to work antisocial hours, a leading centre-right thinktank has urged ministers.

A report from Policy Exchange says that Britain needs to “wean itself off low-skilled migration” and suggests that lower-skilled EU nationals who do come to work in Britain should be given temporary two-year work permits, be fingerprinted and issued biometric ID cards, and denied access to housing benefit or tax credits.

Why not go the whole hog and bring them in as slaves with no rights at all?
After all they are all sub human "Johnny Foreigners" to the morons on this think tank.
One of the "Goodness will flow" items Brexit has brought...

No doubt the next step will be to keep them separate from the rest of the population to make it easier to exploit and control these "Morlocks"

So much for the "British Version of Human Rights"
 
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