Brexit, for once some facts.
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50 years... we'll all be in flying cars and won't need a bridge at all!
In 50 years I'll certainly be flying around up there somewhere...
Really? Now let's see.
Some 2000 years ago the Romans built us some roads.
Over many hundreds of years since, farmers and drovers created tracks for their animals and carts.
In the last 150 years we've put some tar on their surfaces, but can't keep up with repairing the potholes in them.
Progress isn't something we are very good at, it seems.
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Until now, we put a human in charge of driving, no wonder progress wasn't very good, our brain did not grow much over the last 100,000 years.
Now we are replacing our organic brain with a digital one. Progress is accelerating, and seems to accelerate geometrically.
The lemming-like rush by the fascist, tory government towards any kind of deal (or no deal) on a 'Brexit', predicated on total lies, has brought the UK to the point where our NHS is suffering the effects through a staffing crisis.
It seems no-one is arguing that the lack of nurses and worse, the enormous drop in applications from foreign-trained nurses, is a direct consequence of the politics that have brought us to where we are today, so at what point will the 'Brexidiots' realise that exiting the EU is an act of hara-kiri in this 21st century world? Will it be when the foreign carmakers welch on the sweetheart deals, the details of which are deemed inappropriate to share with the British public, or when the major banks and financial corporations occupying prime territory in the City and at Canary Wharf decide to pull the plug and move their operations to mainland Europe?
We know about the bribe to the representatives of the UDA and UVF in order to keep this gang of murderers and thieves in office but there is so much more that we are not privy to due to the deliberate lack of transparency by these tory criminals. In the USA, the voting public are being lied to in exactly the same way and this example of government interference to prohibit the truth from being publicised is identical to what is going on in the UK:
Anyone who believes that things won't change much after 'Brexit' or in the case of the completely delusional, that things will gradually get better, should be arrested and sectioned.
Tom
It seems no-one is arguing that the lack of nurses and worse, the enormous drop in applications from foreign-trained nurses, is a direct consequence of the politics that have brought us to where we are today, so at what point will the 'Brexidiots' realise that exiting the EU is an act of hara-kiri in this 21st century world? Will it be when the foreign carmakers welch on the sweetheart deals, the details of which are deemed inappropriate to share with the British public, or when the major banks and financial corporations occupying prime territory in the City and at Canary Wharf decide to pull the plug and move their operations to mainland Europe?
We know about the bribe to the representatives of the UDA and UVF in order to keep this gang of murderers and thieves in office but there is so much more that we are not privy to due to the deliberate lack of transparency by these tory criminals. In the USA, the voting public are being lied to in exactly the same way and this example of government interference to prohibit the truth from being publicised is identical to what is going on in the UK:
Anyone who believes that things won't change much after 'Brexit' or in the case of the completely delusional, that things will gradually get better, should be arrested and sectioned.
Tom
Some truth in this, but also containing an intrinsic problem, the necessity for our organic brain.
This might surprise you, but we will never see a driverless vehicle doing what our present vehicles do for us, it's impossible.
What we will see are vehicles that can be without driver control from point to point on selected roads. But at unsuitable journey points for driverless operation it will be human control to cope with variable and unmeasurable situations. That's where the organic brain will show it's almost infinite capabilities to deal with change.
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that comment is an exaggeration.
The number of nurses and midwives from Europe leaving the register has gone from 2,435 in 2016 to 4,067 in 2017. Compare the 4,067 against the number of nurses: 285,893, that's 1.4%. Overall, the number of nursing staff is static while demand is increasing.
The truth is we don't spend enough on healthcare.
Our budget per capita in England is £2,106 in 2015/16.
The low funding is of course a political choice.
That's way below the EU average, less than Greece, Portugal, Italy etc:
Very true, and also true for all of our services and benefits, well below the European standards.
Building unusable aircraft carriers, having nuclear missile submarine fleets of the latest standard and attacking distant countries are our priorities.
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No Tilson Brexiteers are going other way.In 50 years I'll certainly be flying around up there somewhere...
If you had read the sentence which followed,
you would realise that the RCN and other health service professional bodies have identified that the decline in applications from nurses from overseas has dropped off a cliff since 'Brexit' was announced, particularly so since A50 was activated.
In short, people who have more important things to do than draw little graphs and sketches, understand that 'Brexit' has impacted severely already on the NHS.
Tom
The number of new nurses joining the NHS has dropped because they come principally from Eurozone countries. An immediate 17% drop in the exchange rate GBP/EUR the day after the referendum is responsible for the drop.
For reference, if you look at the new intakes of nurses, EU nurses account for 19% in 2015/16 down to 12% in 2016/17 after brexit. Let just wait for the changes in 2017/18, I predict that the percentage of new EU joiners will remain around 12%.
OT, numbers are important to see the wood from the trees.
Did anybody else hear George Monbiet on radio yesterday?
Presenter had a guest speaker and they were waiting for GM to join them. They were going to discuss PFI..Was all jovial, lighthearted but they were giving subject the gravitas it required. Then Monbiet joined them. First thing he did was call other guest ignorant and had an unbelievable aggressive , attacking attitude...Presenter asked Monbiet to calm down, which he sort of did...and then it turned out both speakers were saying essentially same thing !
( ie PFI not very good and the fools Brown and Blair more responsible than anyone else for their growth.
What is it with the extreme left ? Why are they so aggressive and insulting ? Do they feel in a weak position or something ? Its normal reason for aggression ?
PS. Monbiet didn't apologise...he justified it ???
Presenter had a guest speaker and they were waiting for GM to join them. They were going to discuss PFI..Was all jovial, lighthearted but they were giving subject the gravitas it required. Then Monbiet joined them. First thing he did was call other guest ignorant and had an unbelievable aggressive , attacking attitude...Presenter asked Monbiet to calm down, which he sort of did...and then it turned out both speakers were saying essentially same thing !
( ie PFI not very good and the fools Brown and Blair more responsible than anyone else for their growth.
What is it with the extreme left ? Why are they so aggressive and insulting ? Do they feel in a weak position or something ? Its normal reason for aggression ?
PS. Monbiet didn't apologise...he justified it ???
but then there are multinationals "lobbying" MP's for those, whereas there aren't many kickbacks for MP's or their backers in nursing jobs (if anything I expect agency staff result in more swill, collateral payment for the pigs in Westminster and corporate uk)
Tillson...I assume you were jesting about 'getting behind Boris'....his bridge idea is another of his idiotic ideas that get nowhere,he wasted millions on draft proposals for the Thames bridge,Boris's airport etc.
Perhaps you could have a comedy double act..'Boris and Tilly',hehe.
KudosDave
Perhaps you could have a comedy double act..'Boris and Tilly',hehe.
KudosDave
Since we would always need to take over control under certain circumstances, that unfortunately could and would happen.
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The daftest thing about this is that after campaigning for us to leave the EU, detach ourselves completely, and cut immigration to a minimum, he promotes a way to more easily let people cross the channel to culturally and commercially merge.
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