Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

Six killed in Canadian mosque attack and another mosque burned in an arson attack in Texas.

This is what happens when people vote for right-wing extremists - all the extremist nutters everywhere feel emboldened and empowered as a result. We saw it in the UK with the murder of Jo Cox MP and in the way it was brushed aside by the 'Brexit' supporters as simply a one-off - the work of a madman.

These naive fools cannot see that 'Brexit' is simply a vehicle being used to begin a journey. Once empowered, the far-right will mimic the kind of racist attitudes currently being displayed by some Americans and infamously orchestrated in the 1930s and 1940s by the German Nazi Party, against Jews in particular.

'Brexit' is just a beginning and for Farage & Co, it is of little consequence. The real story is about power and once allowed to enact divisive policies as a result of that acquired power, expect war - it will only be a matter of time.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

The claim Trump didn't win vote is a spurious argument. It happens here, can happen anywhere with regional voting, unless you have proportional representation.
But he is a,worrying leader..

Not arguing about it, simply reporting the situation and yes he is a very worrying leader, and worse, he seem surrounded by a coterie of very questionable characters, including the Gun Lobby

 

[oldgroaner]

Less deadly than being shot by other Americans.

The heaping of all Muslims into one uniform group is a huge mistake. If you look at the Middle East a whole heap of problems are caused by fighting between two major branches of the religion. What happened when Protestants and Catholics didn't get along? Isn't part of the UK prone to open violence between two branches of Christianity?

The tiny sect that the Saud family used to take power in Saudi Arabia, now there is a branch of Islam that the world would be better off without. But they can travel to the the US so the whole thing is nothing more than another Trump fraud. He really is the best con man we have seen in quite some time. Tiny, tiny hands. Big mouth, Huge mouth...

The terms "Not Overburdened with Brains"
and "A legend in his own imagination" unfortunately describe Trump exactly.

 

[oldgroaner]

Trump is the original "Snake oil" salesman, who promised to bring back jobs and make America Great (twice)
Unfortunately bringing back car manufacturing as an example, will only mean automated factories and the impact on the numbers of unemployed so small as to be irrelevant.

 

[Woosh]

How about he does not care to stay on for a second term?

Unfortunately bringing back car manufacturing as an example, will only mean automated factories and the impact on the numbers of unemployed so small as to be irrelevant.

Let's just wait and see. Contrast what he does with what the tories would do, give you sleeping pills and sell the family silver.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

So Brexit majority was 1,269,501.

Government running with that as the "will of the people" can't be ignored etc etc.

Petition today to keep Trump out, now at 1,131,000 and rising rapidly

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Governemnt to ignore this as : The BBC source reportedly said a rejection of Trump’s state visit would be a “populist gesture” and would “undo everything.”

Populist gesture... undoing everything....... now what does that remind me of?

 

[oldtom]

If you were as shocked as I was by Trump's restriction on freedom of choice on scone filling, you should be even more worried by the latest document he has endorsed:



Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

So Brexit majority was 1,269,501.

Government running with that as the "will of the people" can't be ignored etc etc.

Petition today to keep Trump out, now at 1,131,000 and rising rapidly

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Governemnt to ignore this as : The BBC source reportedly said a rejection of Trump’s state visit would be a “populist gesture” and would “undo everything.”

Populist gesture... undoing everything....... now what does that remind me of?

Hypocrisy is what other people do?

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[mike killay]

The terms "Not Overburdened with Brains"
and "A legend in his own imagination" unfortunately describe Trump exactly.

Has an IQ of allegedly 156.
Billionaire.
Defeated the Republican Party.
Defeated te Democrat Party.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Has an IQ of allegedly 156.
Billionaire.
Defeated the Republican Party.
Defeated te Democrat Party.

with a bit of help

 

[flecc]

Has an IQ of allegedly 156.

Having quickly ceased membership of Mensa in disgust, I assure this is meaningless as an indication of intelligence actually used.

Billionaire.

Left the property business by his very successful businessman father, but it went bankrupt when Donald ran it on his own, this during one of the biggest property booms ever. It was only the later obscene growth in property values that rescued him, not business accumen. He's very much better at spending than making money.

Defeated the Republican Party.
Defeated te Democrat Party.

US presidencies are bought by money and always have been. Theirs is not a direct democracy as Trump's lower vote than his rival shows.
.

 

[tillson]

So Brexit majority was 1,269,501.

Government running with that as the "will of the people" can't be ignored etc etc.

Petition today to keep Trump out, now at 1,131,000 and rising rapidly

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Governemnt to ignore this as : The BBC source reportedly said a rejection of Trump’s state visit would be a “populist gesture” and would “undo everything.”

Populist gesture... undoing everything....... now what does that remind me of?

Those figures are totally meaningless. They aren't worth the bits of data which cause the figures to display on my smart phone.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Those figures are totally meaningless. They aren't worth the bits of data which cause the figures to display on my smart phone.

Oh righty-ho so brexit is off then because of a meaningless majority?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Those figures are totally meaningless. They aren't worth the bits of data which cause the figures to display on my smart phone.

I knew you weren't a fan of facts... but now you're not a fan of numbers.

You realise you're not doing anything good for the image of the leave voter. You're supposed to be able to debate, show us we're wrong. Help prove that leaving is positive, give us hope! Show us what you voted for.

 

[oldtom]

We have had squatters around for a great many years, particularly in the capital but generally, they are ignored and don't cause problems for ordinary people. Sometimes court orders are required to shift them but they are usually peaceable folk and abide by court rulings before finding another empty place to occupy.

With the rise of fascism in the UK, things have taken a nasty turn and this incident, reported on by 'The Canary' but conspicuously absent from the mainstream media, is precisely in keeping with the fascist agenda.

I wonder who the 'yobs' who covered their faces actually were although I'm sure I could take an educated guess! Of course, the supporters of fascist dictators will deny that there is any connection between this incident and the 'Brexit' movement or with what is happening on the other side of the Atlantic. Denial, of course, plays a big part in fascist politicking as anyone who knows anything about Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' and Goebbels later use of the 'Big Lie' tactic will understand.

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/01/30/shocking-attack-heart-london-sums-trump-dangerous-video/

Tom

 

[oldtom]

with a bit of help

Precisely! People should read the story of his college days and wonder how he could possibly have avoided the draft to Vietnam. It's amazing the help that's available to millionaires and billionaires.

Tom

 

[tillson]

I knew you weren't a fan of facts... but now you're not a fan of numbers.

You realise you're not doing anything good for the image of the leave voter. You're supposed to be able to debate, show us we're wrong. Help prove that leaving is positive, give us hope! Show us what you voted for.

You can not compare the number of votes cast in a petition with the differential in the number of votes cast in a referendum and then try to draw an inference from the numbers. That is exactly what you have done and the comparison is meaningless.

You say that you have a qualification in statistics. Was it from the University of Toy Town?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

You can not compare the number of votes cast in a petition with the differential in the number of votes cast in a referendum and then try to draw an inference from the numbers. That is exactly what you have done and the comparison is meaningless.

You say that you have a qualification in statistics. Was it from the University of Toy Town?

Lol, I'm sure Liverpool will be pleased they are now called Toy Town.

Also, as I've said before you can make numbers show many things

In this case I've shown that a petition to keep Trump out - lets call that an opinion poll. Has over 1.2 million votes.

The similar petition to invite trump has less than 100 votes.

So yes you can compare one poll to another, and the difference in the numbers can be compared.

If you disagree with me, as you seem to have done with a lot of things over the past 5 minutes and yet you can't come up with anything better, just a lot of hot air.

 

[tillson]

Lol, I'm sure Liverpool will be pleased they are now called Toy Town.

Also, as I've said before you can make numbers show many things

In this case I've shown that a petition to keep Trump out - lets call that an opinion poll. Has over 1.2 million votes.

The similar petition to invite trump has less than 100 votes.

So yes you can compare one poll to another, and the difference in the numbers can be compared.

If you disagree with me, as you seem to have done with a lot of things over the past 5 minutes and yet you can't come up with anything better, just a lot of hot air.

You didn't mention the petition to invite him in your original post, you just drew an incorrect comparison between the anti-Trump petition and the EU referendum.

Again, to compare the petition to invite Trump with a totally seperate and independent one to reject him, is statistically flawed for many reason. For example, people may not be aware that two petitions running due to differential levels in promoting each. People may not be as motivated to vote for the default option (Trump is on his way), and so on.

The only true way to gauge this issue and take anything meaningful from it, would be to hold a single referendum on the subject. Which is pointless.

I have disagreed with you a lot in the last five minutes, because you have posted a lot of things which I disagree with.

 

[oldtom]

I am not a huge fan of 'The Guardian' but I consider it to be a little bit less right-wing than the majority of the mainstream press.

This infographic rather succinctly describes how reading the far-right propaganda, so beloved by 'Brexit' supporters, affects the ability to think independently but the link to the Guardian piece that follows is worth a read for its non-partisan approach.





https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/28/donald-trump-ban-refugees-holocaust-remembrance-day

Tom