you may be right, Carney works for the remainers. If he devalues the Pound enough, maybe even die hard brexiters will give up the dream. I talked to a Frenchman at the local market this morning, he was selling me some girolles. 'You, the English, you are very intelligent people! we wish we had the same chance!' - most French people I've met recently thought that we are doing the right thing and our future will be brighter than theirs.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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There is also a strong appetite for leaving in Italy. I have family there who own and run technology businesses. They think we are doing the right thing in leaving and they say the majority of locals they talk to want out as well.
The EU needs to reform and after that it could be a very good thing, but they won't unless they are backed into a corner. As we have seen, the EU leaders are bullies and only way to deal with bullies is to hurt them. We might end up with a black eye, but that will heal and after that life will be better without the bullies. If enough people turn against them, which is highly likely, they will be destroyed and something new and better can replace the current EU.
The EU needs to reform and after that it could be a very good thing, but they won't unless they are backed into a corner. As we have seen, the EU leaders are bullies and only way to deal with bullies is to hurt them. We might end up with a black eye, but that will heal and after that life will be better without the bullies. If enough people turn against them, which is highly likely, they will be destroyed and something new and better can replace the current EU.
inasmuch as pension funds will take a hit I agree. but the cut in interest rates was due to the biggest cut in the growth forecast in the UK since the BoE was created. what else was he to do? many were surprised the MPC didn't introduce a negative interest rate. however none of it will prevent the inevitable, the small recovery of the pound is but a small fluctuation on the way down
oh no bud, we wont "end up with a black eye", we'll end up picking up our teeth with broken fingers, as they say back in Africa..and look at the news, EU growth is bearing up OK despite Brexit
I've asked before, but I now ask again. Where is there a fact to support this apparent article of faith?
I posted the facts that indicate the contrary is likely, but you responded with a Disagree. How can I give any credibility to your opinions when you disagree with proven historical facts?
Nothing would please me more than to be proved wrong by the UK succeeding independently, but I look in vain for a single sign that could happen.
I repeat what I posted earlier, talking down has not affected what's happened since Brexit. The ill effects have resulted from judgements based on the same facts I've quoted and the absence of any evidence to the contrary.
If and when we see anything genuinely positive indicating a chance of independent success, confidence will start to return. But no-one is going to invest in the articles of faith uttered without any tangible support.
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can we establish that what the public want isn't always whats best for them, or the country as a whole?
Its like offering us a referendum on reducing tax, 90% of people would be in favour, and then where would we be?
Just because the majority want it, doesn't mean it should happen.
Its like offering us a referendum on reducing tax, 90% of people would be in favour, and then where would we be?
Just because the majority want it, doesn't mean it should happen.
You are beginning to sound desperate, did you know that? to attribute blame for a bad decision you personally made and imagine the Stock market are swayed by reading this forum is pretty comical really!.You'll be seeing reds under the beds next.
lets analyse your last paragraph
First it's "Lo and Behold" not "low"
And you are the one doing the "Dismissing that negativity" by hiding behind the "ignore button" aren't you, and being unable to provide even the beginning of a defence or justification for Brexit.
You just want to complain without having to listen to anyone else.
And for your information the source of these negative comments ? not from this Forum, but in the Press and media of course.
If this thread disappears tomorrow do you imagine the bad news will stop?
So basically you are saying that the European parliament is not Democratic and we have to bully them to achieve change.
Better for all concerned with that attitude we stay out and leave democracy to grown up nations.
If we hadn't sent the equivalent of a gang of football hooligans to represent us as MEPs we could have achieved change.
Lets face it they are better off without us.
Article 50 Now! lets enjoy what's left while we can, while there is still anything left to enjoy.
At the present rate it shouldn't take long for the lesson to be learned.
I wasn't advocating censorship of anyone's views, I was just making a simple comment that there are many more specific Internet resources to discuss this particular subject. They will undoubtedly have a much greater number of posters and readers, (for and against), giving a much wider view than the participating posters on here.
This forum is targeted at people interested in electric bikes.
This thread has indeed attracted a record number of posts, but mostly from a very small proportion of Pedelec members.
So?
This thread is targeted at those members interested in Brexit. I really do not see why that gives you a problem.
No, what I am saying is that if there is a majority wanting to leave, which there is in this country, then we should leave. If the same applies in other countries, that is a majority of people wanting to leave, then they should also leave.I am saying that this appears to be the case in both France and Italy.
That is democracy, that's how it works, we do what the majority of people want to do. I know that doesn't sit very well with remainers, but unfortunately for them, that's the way it is.
No, see that's not how democracy works...
What you're describing is direct democracy, which is not what we've got.
What we have, because its more efficient and proven to be better for a host of reasons is representative democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_democracy
The referendum, just checked the mood of the nation... it doesn't mean its what is best for the nation, or what will happen.
You know, I never heard about any of this until after the referendum. Funny isn't it?
So let me see if I've got this right. If a jury finds the defendant guilty by a majority, it's not really a guilty verdict, it's just a sort of gauging of the mood of the jury type thing?
So the murdering scumbags who ended Steven Lawrence's life aren't really guilty, it's just that the jury were in a convicting type of mood that day? Have I got it right? Or should we keep on having the same trial over and over again until they are found not guilty? Is this how your democratic majority works?
Majority always wins, it's the only fair way.
I am not surprised. That is the direct result of the drop in value of the Pound. Try explaining this to flud.
The off-balance sheet liabilities of our big four banks run into tens of trillions. One percent drop in the value of the Pound puts them directly into under-capitalized state.
Not quite. Yes, it is the only way, but it's often far from fair.
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You've used a great example to disprove even your own point.
In the case of a jury, in the UK.... its not a simply majority that wins rule. It has to be 10–2 (10–1 if only eleven jurors remain) is needed for a verdict; failure to reach this may lead to a retrial.
So in the case of this referendum, which even if you round up is 6-4, it would be considered a hung jury and might need a retrial.
often, referendum is not the right way to gauge the public mood because the general public lacks expertise.
.... and now add Nissan to the list.
Currently suspended all investment plans, whilst they work out if the UK will continue to have access to the single market.
What a mess.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/nissan-boss-issues-uk-investment-warning-after-brexit-vote-a7174346.html
Currently suspended all investment plans, whilst they work out if the UK will continue to have access to the single market.
What a mess.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/nissan-boss-issues-uk-investment-warning-after-brexit-vote-a7174346.html