Brexit, for once some facts.

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This govrnment would lose older voters that they depend upon - they always turn out to vote, when not frozen to death.
then the government should increase their winter fuel allowance to compensate.
 

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then the government should increase their winter fuel allowance to compensate.
...doing that would also lose then older voters, because that sort of thing flies in the face of Conservatism, which is about small government and low taxes.
 

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Totally agree re Express... Telegraph and lots of others running same story.
Yes, they all print BS much of time but Express claiming Macron relenquishing his French seat to become an EU one (if its his decision) could hardly be an invention. Don't think Express has imagination to come up with that one..
Notice Denmark are not lining up behind France in the Aukus fracas. Macron will be banning bacon and butter..
 

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...doing that would also lose then older voters, because that sort of thing flies in the face of Conservatism, which is about small government and low taxes.
Times have changed. This is largest Government in modern history and is raising taxes..??? You are right historically and politically... But not presently.
 

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Times have changed. This is largest Government in modern history and is raising taxes..??? You are right historically and politically... But not presently.
The tax rises thus far disproprotionately disadvantage the poor, and the only reason many of those voted for them was because of Brexit jingoism, the loss of Scotland to Scottish jingoism and the a bit of a loony lefty leader.
 

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The tax rises thus far disproprotionately disadvantage the poor, and the only reason many of those voted for them was because of Brexit jingoism, the loss of Scotland to Scottish jingoism and the a bit of a loony lefty leader.
Could be.... But look at what's happening to IHT, National insurance, Public Spending, NHS... Certainly not small government (or even Tory) policies... Its the most socialist Tory government in history...
Its actually what's making it so difficult for Labour... They are out labouring Labour leaving the Corbyn, Starmer, McCluskey pantomime nowhere to go.
 
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Could be.... But look at what's happening to IHT, National insurance, Public Spending, NHS... Certainly not small givernment (or even Tory) policies... Its the most socialist Tory government in history...
It's a trend brought about by Covid - lefty govs are rising all over the world. Small gov and low taxes are not going to stamp out this pandemic, so they're doing their utmost to adapt to survive. It'll be interesting to see how far they'll go.
 
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It's a trend brought about by Covid - lefty govs are rising all over the world. Small gov and low taxes are not going to stamp out this pandemic, so they're doing their utmost to adapt to survive. It'll be interesting to see how far they'll go.
Agreed.. Covid has played its part. Suspect Brexit has too. Have we ever had a government interfere more in our lives than this one? Boris might have intended to have small government, less tax, less interference but its not worked out that way.
It always seems ironic to me that many supporters of less government restrictions, advice, spending, taxes, etc then support EU.. Its a contradiction.
 

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I don't understand why the regulator hasn't upped the cap.
If government puts in place a cap, then it has to put in place the mechanism to deal with the mess that cap generates.
Like everything, the mechanism for calculating the cap is a shambles. I don’t know all the details, but the cap is adjusted twice per year and is based on wholesale energy prices months prior to the adjustment. The system can’t react quickly enough to a rapidly changing market, hence why we are seeing the small companies going bust.

No one has the balls to take responsibility and up the cap in these unprecedented times.

I don’t think there is anyone left in the country that can actually do something with any degree of competence.
 
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An EU army... Commanded from Brussels and having 27 commanders in chief. What a great idea. Its formation, well lack of it, demonstrates the very problems it's deployment would create..
There is one person on here who criticises others for doing the very thing that he just did.
So now you know better than not just one expert, but countless experts in 27 countries?

Sorry but as always I'm laughing. especially as the Roman army had contingents from every single country within the Empire and did rather a good job of seeing off all but a few enemies for hundreds of years.
 

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Express claiming Macron relenquishing his French seat to become an EU one (if its his decision) could hardly be an invention. Don't think Express has imagination to come up with that one..
pure speculation. Macron did not make any such suggestion.
He wants to appear tough because French presidential elections start April 22. Not long to go.
But giving up the UNSC seat? not for a very long time.
 

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Agreed.. Covid has played its part. Suspect Brexit has too. Have we ever had a government interfere more in our lives than this one? Boris might have intended to have small government, less tax, less interference but its not worked out that way.
It always seems ironic to me that many supporters of less government restrictions, advice, spending, taxes, etc then support EU.. Its a contradiction.
Only to you
 

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pure speculation. Macron did not make any such suggestion.
Zlatan is just proving the point I made.
Remember the kid's join the dot with a pencil game "Dotto"?

If you gave him one intended to be a Guinea pig, he would draw a herd of Elephants by the time he finished!
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Agreed.. Covid has played its part. Suspect Brexit has too. Have we ever had a government interfere more in our lives than this one? Boris might have intended to have small government, less tax, less interference but its not worked out that way.
Taxing the poor and lightly taxing the lower middle classes is low hanging fruit - It's hard to tax the rich and tech giants... there would have to be major changes in laws in many countries to make their flows of money transparent in the first place, then a change of laws in those countries to enable taxation, and US tech giants are protected by the US who see it as an attack. But tax someone they must - it's an ill fitting suit for this government, but the opposition is led by a less charismatic version of Blair. The recent reshuffle looks like it's intended to look competent, the inquiry of their disasterous handling of the pandemic is scheduled to report after the next election. They'll win again, if they can look convincing in their patchwork new suit to the red wall voters, and manage to not **** them off - they don't usually vote anyway. On the other hand, rather a lot of natural Conservative voters have died. But not enough. I'll think about it all thoroughly before visiting Ladbrokes to place my bet.
 
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Could be.... But look at what's happening to IHT, National insurance, Public Spending, NHS... Certainly not small government (or even Tory) policies... Its the most socialist Tory government in history...
Its actually what's making it so difficult for Labour... They are out labouring Labour leaving the Corbyn, Starmer, McCluskey pantomime nowhere to go.
And here is the amusing bit. The only one in this dark comedy who actually would have even tried to make Brexit work was Corbyn.
Frankly they are not employing labour policies at all, simply floundering without a clue either practically or politically, worse still, they don't give a Tinkers cuss, so long as the rip off keeps going.
The average voter no longer knows the difference between a slogan and an actual policy, and usually the Cabinet when questioned in public don't know or care either.
 

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There is one person on here who criticises others for doing the very thing that he just did.
So now you know better than not just one expert, but countless experts in 27 countries?

Sorry but as always I'm laughing. especially as the Roman army had contingents from every single country within the Empire and did rather a good job of seeing off all but a few enemies for hundreds of years.
There is a massive difference there OG. Clue is in the name. The Roman Empire. All the disparate armies, amongst them Celts, Picts, Gauls, Parisi.. Pretorean, etc etc were commanded by Rome and by Romans. Not 27 separate states but one unified one.
But, it might work, but it certainly isn't even showing signs of getting started.
I believe at one point a command of some 60,000 was to be deployed...(in 2007) but they had political problems (not all States could agree engagement terms and EU had funding issues)
State things are at moment there could be some urgency to get an EU force up and running.. We probably need it now, it could have lots to do with reasons behind Aukus.
EU is just not a credible adversary and could not mount either a defence or a deployment... After 40 years??? Still reliant on Uncle Sam?? Not very good OG is it.
 
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And here is the amusing bit. The only one in this dark comedy who actually would have even tried to make Brexit work was Corbyn.
Frankly they are not employing labour policies at all, simply floundering without a clue either practically or politically, worse still, they don't give a Tinkers cuss, so long as the rip off keeps going.
The average voter no longer knows the difference between a slogan and an actual policy, and usually the Cabinet when questioned in public don't know or care either.
I agree with that.. Apart from Corbyn could have done better. He couldn't. He was and is utterly useless, and he is main reason we have Boris and this shower..
 
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