Brexit, for once some facts.

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I think Stewart need only score higher than javid to survive to fight another day. His honest comments about his performance were refreshing.
the problem is: Stewart accuses his rivals of believing in fairy tales while his plan is no better than theirs.
If parliament does not want brexit then either revoke A50 or change parliament.
The only good thing about Stewart's plan is he prioritises public services against tax cuts.
 
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I think Stewart need only score higher than javid to survive to fight another day. His honest comments about his performance were refreshing.
thought he was very weak and obviously would do his best to stop us leaving
 

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I didn't watch since I knew in advance it would be a waste of time. Every attempt at TV debates with groups of politicians fails to produce any information of value, rather like PM's question time in the House of Commons.
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It certainly was a waste of time for the 99.8% of the electorate who will have no say in the outcome.
 
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thought he was very weak and obviously would do his best to stop us leaving
no, he wouldn't do that. His plan is TM's, keep pushing parliament to vote for the WA until Labour brexiter MPs out vote the ERG.
In the mean time, he would ask for A50 extension.
In a way, his plan is slightly saner than BJ's and Hunt's but not by much. If Stewart wins, 40% of the conservative base would vote for NF next time. If BJ wins, 40% of conservative voters would vote for other parties.
 
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no, he wouldn't do that. His plan is TM's, keep pushing parliament to vote for the WA until Labour brexiter MPs out vote the ERG.
In the mean time, he would ask for A50 extension.
In a way, his plan is slightly saner than BJ's and Hunt's but not by much. If Stewart wins, 40% of the conservative base would vote for NF next time. If BJ wins, 40% of conservative voters would vote for other parties.
The 08 crisis and austerity caused much of the anti immigrant swing to the xenophobic right now as in 33. the conservative base are self serving boneheads who would destroy the country for a tax break. but i dont think, now that things are less desperate, that many actually support nf/a self destructive hard brexit.
 
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The 08 crisis and austerity caused much of the anti immigrant swing to the xenophobic right now as in 33. the conservative base are self serving boneheads who would destroy the country for a tax break. but i dont think, now that things are less desperate, that many actually support nf/a self destructive hard brexit.

Ooh ooh. Nazi bingo!

I claim my prize!
 

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Well said. Quite an admission. To be fair this remaining section of your quote is only bit that made slightest sense. Had you had a few when you wrote it? Its utter garbage on so many levels, even by your standards Tom.
Crikey, it does seem to resonate with you and your psychotic friend. The truth hurts, huh?
 
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As an aside to previous reply. How many of the Scottish electorate voted for Nicola Sturgeon. A genuine question because I do not understand the Scottish system
 

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Why should we. They are the party of government. We vote for the party not the leader
I don't think that's entirely true. Many women voted for Margaret Thatcher simply she was a woman PM. Equally Tony Blair's apparent appeal when he first appeared revived Labour's fortunes, while conversely many will not vote Labour with Corbyn in place. Also it's generally agreed that the unions choice of Ed Miliband instead of his brother David cost Labour many votes.

And I've no doubt that Boris Johnson's Marmite qualities if Tory leader will cause a big shift in voting, both gaining and losing many votes.

I think the right leader is often crucial for electoral success.
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Why should we. They are the party of government. We vote for the party not the leader
That's why I paid my £2 a month. You could afford £2 a month if you wanted to vote that badly (not you personally Gray - who-ever it was you were responding to).

Sometimes democracy comes at a price.
 

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gray198

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49.97% voted for the SNP on a 66.4% turnout.
but am I right in saying that Nicola Sturgeon gas not been elected as an MP, so who has voted for her to lead the party if not the electorate. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I am not entirely sure. But if it is the case could the uk parties do the same and elect say Farage to lead the conservatives or Alistair Campbell to lead Labour. A silly idea I know but do we have a different system or could it happen
 

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He agreed that his performance was weak. His unique selling point is that rest are delusional. If he does actually stop the UK leaving, until sanity prevails , he will have done the UK a great service.
It's amazing that you think stopping the UK leaving is a good thing. When we had a vote on it and the result was so clear what we wanted. I still don't get how you justify that. Oh I know what you say - that for some reason you concoct it doesn't matter that we voted and that the leave won.

I get that's what you'll say. But to me that is never a valid justification. Just because you think its wrong does not mean the vote is annulled.

Its weird because you're obviously not stupid. Apart from your ?. thing but I'll let that go. But how you think ignoring that vote is a good thing. How can it be? We voted. So we're supposed to leave. It's that simple.
 

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