Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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What will be the specific benefits of leaving the EU? What is the plan to enable us to achieve those benefits, assuming that there are some?

You never answer these questions because you don't know the answer and you don't know the answer because there is no solution.
It benefits his cronies in the Adam Smith institute
He has no interest in benefits for the UK public
 
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50Hertz

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It benefits his cronies in the Adam Smith institute
He has no interest in benefits for the UK public
I don’t think he knows. People thought they knew what the benefits would be, but the people who promised those benefits have been unable to secure them. Now those Leave voters have been left drifting, not knowing where they are going or what they want. I can only think they are now clinging to a hope that somehow things will just happen to fall into place and that something acceptable will appear. Well that’s just not good enough, and if that true plan (or lack of it) was put to the vote again, it would lose.
 
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I don’t think he knows. People thought they knew what the benefits would be, but the people who promised those benefits have been unable to secure them. Now those Leave voters have been left drifting, not knowing where they are going or what they want. I can only think they are now clinging to a hope that somehow things will just happen to fall into place and that something acceptable will appear. Well that’s just not good enough, and if that true plan (or lack of it) was put to the vote again, it would lose.
JRM thinks he knows.
He said we may not see the benefits for 50 years.

Well, he could have asked his children if they agree with him.
 

oldgroaner

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Your arrogance and lack of respect.... shame on you.

"I served in the Royal Marines for over 10 years. I'm proud to be British, I'm proud of our tolerance, our diversity, of our liberal democracy. But the MP's at Westminster right now, they're letting down the British public." - @jaglancy, veteran and Brexit Party candidate.

You just don't see it do you? So wrapped up in your insistence of being right.

Like I say - shame on you.
How corny can you get? so this individual holds an opinion, how does it matter than he was a Royal Marine? that won't guarantee wisdom, will it?
He clearly isn't bright enough to realise he is backing nothing more than a disorganised party with no plan or program, fronted by a sinister and glib con man, who's inflammatory rhetoric could well result in tipping the right wing nutters that such a group will attract from a protest into violence in the streets.
Where do you think language like this will lead?
"Farage last week vowed the Brexit Party can put the “shattered” system “out of its misery” as he appealed for voters to begin a “political revolution”
In the early days of this thread we warned that some hot headed loud mouth would come along funded to cause trouble , and behold here is that man.
His seeming encouragement for extremism is what we warned about.

Do grow up.
 
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50Hertz

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Every time I see Farage I think of Bart Simpson, I think the guy looks just like him :D
Every time I look at Farage I’m thinking, what are you all about? Where are you going with Brexit? What outcome are you perusing? What is going to be better after Brexit?

Of course, he never addresses these simple questions.
 
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OxygenJames

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Every time I look at Farage I’m thinking, what are you all about? Where are you going with Brexit? What outcome are you perusing? What is going to be better after Brexit?

Of course, he never addresses these simple questions.

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It looks like there is another Theresa May inspired disaster looming around the corner. She has give the go ahead for Huawei to build parts of the U.K. 5G data network. This goes against strong advice from 5 other countries who we are in a security alliance with and some of our own security experts. Her decision is said to be damaging the trust and confidence in the U.K.

I wonder what’s causing her to repeatedly make such terrible decisions. Stubbornness? Ignorance? Simply buying the cheapest? Having her strings pulled by people who stand to gain?

The woman is a disaster zone. I can’t think of anything that she has been involved in which hasn’t suffered and become worse as a result. What a legacy.
 

OxygenJames

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It benefits his cronies in the Adam Smith institute
He has no interest in benefits for the UK public
Ah. Sweet memories. Thanks OG.

"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."

"No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable"

"Man is an animal that makes bargains: no other animal does this - no dog exchanges bones with another"

"What can be added to the happiness of a man who is in health, out of debt, and has a clear conscience?"
 
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Very funny, I like it.

However, it still doesn’t answer the questions of what you want out of Brexit, how it will benefit people and how those things will be achieved.

Why do you (and all those supporters of Brexit) avoid answering? They are very simple and straightforward questions.

Is the reason for not answering because you are clueless? Do you have absolutely no idea what you want, or how to get it even if you did know what you wanted?

I was looking at the Reader’s Comments in the Daily Mail the other day. They related to an article about Easter 1949 being similar in weather conditions to Easter this year. They were astonishing. Such garbage as “wonderful times”, “ when Britain was great” & “ more respect then, men wearing suits on the beach”.

The Mail is a Brexit newspaper, the readers comments sections are full of vague, meaningless unintelligent comments such as “get us out now” & “no more evil EU” and other fat-head garbage. Never a single proposal of what they actually want. Perhaps 1949 is what they want and they see Nigel Farage as the man who can deliver them 1949 and everything that went with it?
 

OxygenJames

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It looks like there is another Theresa May inspired disaster looming around the corner. She has give the go ahead for Huawei to build parts of the U.K. 5G data network. This goes against strong advice from 5 other countries who we are in a security alliance with and some of our own security experts. Her decision is said to be damaging the trust and confidence in the U.K.

I wonder what’s causing her to repeatedly make such terrible decisions. Stubbornness? Ignorance? Simply buying the cheapest? Having her strings pulled by people who stand to gain?

The woman is a disaster zone. I can’t think of anything that she has been involved in which hasn’t suffered and become worse as a result. What a legacy.
Wow! You're an expert on national security too!

Is there no end to your abilities!!?

Bless you and your over-grown mind.
 

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Very funny, I like it.

However, it still doesn’t answer the questions of what you want out of Brexit, how it will benefit people and how those things will be achieved.

Why do you (and all those supporters of Brexit) avoid answering? They are very simple and straightforward questions.

Is the reason for not answering because you are clueless? Do you have absolutely no idea what you want, or how to get it even if you did know what you wanted?

I was looking at the Reader’s Comments in the Daily Mail the other day. They related to an article about Easter 1949 being similar in weather conditions to Easter this year. They were astonishing. Such garbage as “wonderful times”, “ when Britain was great” & “ more respect then, men wearing suits on the beach”.

The Mail is a Brexit newspaper, the readers comments sections are full of vague, meaningless unintelligent comments such as “get us out now” & “no more evil EU” and other fat-head garbage. Never a single proposal of what they actually want. Perhaps 1949 is what they want and they see Nigel Farage as the man who can deliver them 1949 and everything that went with it?
well said but how about it's like living in a bad neighbourhood, the reasons don't really matter, call it guts feeling if you like, they just want out?
sell the house, burn the old furniture, move to somewhere else?
 

OxygenJames

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Very funny, I like it.

However, it still doesn’t answer the questions of what you want out of Brexit, how it will benefit people and how those things will be achieved.

Why do you (and all those supporters of Brexit) avoid answering? They are very simple and straightforward questions.

Is the reason for not answering because you are clueless? Do you have absolutely no idea what you want, or how to get it even if you did know what you wanted?

I was looking at the Reader’s Comments in the Daily Mail the other day. They related to an article about Easter 1949 being similar in weather conditions to Easter this year. They were astonishing. Such garbage as “wonderful times”, “ when Britain was great” & “ more respect then, men wearing suits on the beach”.

The Mail is a Brexit newspaper, the readers comments sections are full of vague, meaningless unintelligent comments such as “get us out now” & “no more evil EU” and other fat-head garbage. Never a single proposal of what they actually want. Perhaps 1949 is what they want and they see Nigel Farage as the man who can deliver them 1949 and everything that went with it?
Look - what you don't seem to see in yourself - is that you are utterly hooked into trying to justify leaving a winning team for a losing one.

So you go out there and hunt down every speck of evidence to somehow prove that you did the right thing.

So it doesn't matter what I say - or what anybody else says - you simply HAVE to justify your change of mind.

Every post of yours is basically that - on repeat.
 

OxygenJames

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well said but how about it's like living in a bad neighbourhood, the reasons don't really matter, call it guts feeling if you like, they just want out?
sell the house, burn the old furniture, move to somewhere else?
For those with short memories.

Here's the map - red areas voted leave:

This is what Farage is tapping into.


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50Hertz

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well said but how about it's like living in a bad neighbourhood, the reasons don't really matter, call it guts feeling if you like, they just want out?
sell the house, burn the old furniture, move to somewhere else?
Good analogy, but they can’t even tell you what’s bad about the “bad neighbourhood.” Totally clueless and drifting from one “next best thing” to another.
 
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50Hertz

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Look - what you don't seem to see in yourself - is that you are utterly hooked into trying to justify leaving a winning team for a losing one.

So you go out there and hunt down every speck of evidence to somehow prove that you did the right thing.

So it doesn't matter what I say - or what anybody else says - you simply HAVE to justify your change of mind.

Every post of yours is basically that - on repeat.

You appear to be like a vacuum. There is nothing there of significance.
 

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