Bicycle brakes

Tiberius

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What are the options for good brakes on a bike?

The standard seems to be V-brakes operating on the rim. From the mechanical point of view, rim brakes ought to be vastly superior to any form of hub brake. On the other hand, hub brakes and disc brakes are popular; are they really better, or is that fashion and hype?

I have to say that I've had mixed experiences with V-brakes. Sometimes I can get them set up really well, but I've got one bike where I just can't stop them making noises.

One big question: what do the lycras use? After all, they are going 2 to 3 times as fast as the average e-biker.

Nick
 

bogmonster

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Can't really answer your question, however most touring bikes use rim brakes of some description. The main reason being that namy disc brakes foul racks and panniers.

I think in theory that discs allow for a larger surface area for the pads. However, I have used rim brakes that have been great and disc brakes that have been junk.
 

flecc

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The Lycras use V brakes or calipers, both rim types of course. Rim brakes are the largest disc brake of course, and since disc diameter is the most important factor in braking efficiency, they are far superior to disc or hub brakes. Rim wear can be a problem though.

Cycle disc brakes really need hydraulic operation for best efficiency, though the odd cable operated design has been reasonably effective. I only think discs useful in off road situations where damage and mud clogging can compromise rim brakes, even seizing a wheel. For weight minimising reasons the discs on bikes are very thin and easily buckled by accidental damage or overheating on very long road downhills.

Hub brakes come in brake shoe and drum form or roller and ramp form. Both are far less effective than the preceding types and only suitable for lowish speed use. The roller and ramp type also have the disadvantage of delay in "biting" which can be alarming, but they hardly ever need any maintenance. These rear brakes are sometimes operated as "coaster" brakes by back pedalling, but this is only likely to be found on the continent these days.
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lectureral

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Nick - I can highly recommend the hydraulic rim brakes as fitted on my Raleigh Leicester E de luxe (a version of Kalkhoff Agutta) - I find them easy to control and very powerful (a bit too powerful for my wife who was overly brutal with them the other day, got into a slide on a damp road and fell off - fortunately she stayed with the bike, cushioned its fall and it was fine - she survived ok as well).
 

Tiberius

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Thanks guys,

Maybe better pads on the V-brakes is the answer. As I said, I've got one bike where front and rear both make horrendous but different noises. It does come to a stop, but there is no need for a bell if someone steps in front of me.

Nick
 

Danny-K

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I have to say that I've had mixed experiences with V-brakes. Sometimes I can get them set up really well, but I've got one bike where I just can't stop them making noises.
I had similar noises, (The most holy moley squealing you've ever heard; enough to wake the dead!) from the standard front brake blocks on my e-bike. (Only the second bike in my stable with V-brakes, all the others being road-going calipers - never had any trouble with caliper brakes, but hey! Those in the know, insist that the two lumps of ungainly metal, (V-brake arms), that protrude out from the forks, are far superior to caliper brakes.

And I must say, I do like the one-finger light action of them to haul things to a standstill.

Anyway, try as I might, they defied toeing in, as if squealing for Britain. I noticed that there was tons of brake dust around the brake area after each ride - at this rate they'd be down to nothing in no time at all. So, first stop was to purchase some reasonable aftermarket brake blocks, and for £2.50 (still carded), I obtained from the local market a pair of Jagwire V-Brake blocks. They looked so much better, what with arrows pointing the direction of travel they must be fitted, right down to 'L' and 'R' embossed on them. Like the Koolstops they look weird in so-much that two-thirds of the rubber block lies behind the bolt, with the shorter amount of rubber to face forward. Fitted them and instant transformation - no more squealing. I have heard that some brake blocks defy squealing better than others even after toeing-in has failed to rectify. The thing about toeing-in is that eventually after some wear they'll be back to even-stevens. So best to start with some quality b/blocks.

Had to do a reasonably hard stop last night and there was the squeal back; but only a former shadow of itself compared to the original blocks. On examining the brake block area I was alarmed to see that the budget-priced suspension forks moved back and forth when the brakes were fully applied hard to the rim, You could see the brake arms toing-and-froing as the brake blocks gripped tenaciously when I pushed them so. Guess that's why the toeing-in was ineffective. Also it's said that a build up of residue on the rims can induce squealing brakes. So later this afternoon I'm out the back with some citrus oil degreaser on the rims. I'm happy enough with things the way they are as I've only ever heard them squeal the once since the change-over, and with cleaning the rims, and then allowing the blocks to bed-in after some use I'm convinced I'll have heard the last of the squealing - but not if I'd left the original standard brake blocks fitted.

I like those Koolstops,(they have a long record of high reliability), just couldn't resist the bargain that was on offer for the Jagwire's, that's all.


(Jagwire b/blocks)
 
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Danny-K

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Quick postscript to my post above:

Although the bike and wheels were clean, nonetheless, as stated above, tonight I cleaned the front rim with a citrus cleaner. I just couldn't believe the heavy black residue that came off on the kitchen paper towels I used to apply the stuff to the rims with. Cleaned it all off until there was progressively less and less black muck ending up on the paper towels.

Because I've never suffered from squealing brakes before I've only ever washed the rims in general, never having to take a degreaser cleaning agent to them. If it's true that brake residue left on your rims can cause squealing, then believe me - even when your rim appears 'clean' it's not until you take the citrus stuff to it - that you then realise it's not.

Subsequent evening ride continued the now squeal-less braking.
 

Mussels

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If it's true that brake residue left on your rims can cause squealing, then believe me - even when your rim appears 'clean' it's not until you take the citrus stuff to it - that you then realise it's not.
I use baby wipes, they clean almost anything and get the black grime off the rims a treat. :)
 

Thirdway

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Although I mainly do off road work I have had standard side pull/centre pull rim and mechanical disc brakes. Tried several V brakes but never owned them.

I think I would struggle to return to rim mounted brakes because the hydraulic disc brakes are so good. I use Formula brakes which are very light and extremely powerful. When you weigh them in your hands the disc setup is only marginally heavier, so weight is not really so relevant unless you are shaving grammes. One big advantage is the lack of maintenance and totally smooth function.

Maybe consider a hydraulic disc on the front and standard V brakes on the rear ????