Are electric bikes just for lazy people?

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Article on ETA Web site. Are electric bikes just for lazy people? | ETA Trust

Electric bikes make a mockery of cycling, so many people think. Made for lazy people who can’t handle a proper bike. But David Miall of Wisper argues this isn’t true, and that electric bikes could be the answer to our congested and polluted towns and cities.

Everyone knows the benefits of cycling: outside of walking, they’re as close to carbon neutral transport as you can get; they can aid weight loss and keep you fit; and help save money. Then along comes the electric bike – a carbon powered bicycle that takes all the energy out of cycling.

“I often hear people say that electric bikes are just for lazy people,” says David Miall, Director of Wisper, one the country’s leading electric bike specialists. “However that’s a very broad statement and it ignores all the people who are using bikes to cover long distances usually done by cars. For example, one of our customers cycles almost every day from Dartford to central London. That’s almost 20 miles each way. There are also people who have been keen cyclists, but have reached a certain age and they’re not maybe as fit as they used to be. An electric bike can increase their cycling life by 10-15 years.”

And it’s not just individuals, but whole communities that can benefit from electric bikes. Mial explains:

“We’ve just set up Sussex Police with 17 electric bikes. This means they can cover a much wider beat than they could by foot. They can also interact with the local community more than if they were in a car.”

But although the electric bike community in Britain is growing, we’re still way behind other European countries.

“In Holland more money is spent on electric bikes than any other type of bike,” says Miall. “But that’s because they have the cycling infrastructure in place. Every road has a segregated cycle lane and cyclists always have the right of way. It’s also an ingrained part of their culture – right from a child being taken to school on the back of their parent’s bike.”

Back at home and most people are too terrified to get on a bike at all. And while the Government is heavily pushing electric cars, they’re doing little to promote electric bikes.

“Before we get any kind of mass take up of electric bikes there needs to be much better cycling infrastructure,” continued Miall. “We need to spend much more money so that cycling can be integrated safely with normal traffic. It will cost billions, but that’s what we need to do to make our towns and cities more cycle friendly.

“It would also be good to see the Government offer financial incentives. We have the Cycle to Work scheme, which includes electric bikes. However there’s a limit of £1000. If they increased that to £2000 you could get yourself a really descent electric bike.”

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Davanti

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Article on ETA Web site. Are electric bikes just for lazy people? | ETA Trust

“It would also be good to see the Government offer financial incentives. We have the Cycle to Work scheme, which includes electric bikes. However there’s a limit of £1000. If they increased that to £2000 you could get yourself a really descent electric bike.” ...
Pity about the typo! It would appear that the electric bike market is all downhill from here ...;)

Don
 

jazper53

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Originally Posted by Wisper Bikes

Article on ETA Web site. Are electric bikes just for lazy people? | ETA Trust

“It would also be good to see the Government offer financial incentives. We have the Cycle to Work scheme, which includes electric bikes. However there’s a limit of £1000. If they increased that to £2000 you could get yourself a really descent electric bike.” ...





I would like to see a removal of V.A.T on cycles/e-bike, rather than the cycle to work scheme which targets only a select section, rather than a universal incentive for all.
 

flecc

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I would like to see a removal of V.A.T on cycles/e-bike,
As I've often posted, once VAT has been applied to anything, it can never be removed in law, it can only be reduced to a minimum of 5%.

That's why our UK electricity bills carry 5% VAT, the government that wanted to remove it found that it couldn't do that legally.

Having said that 5% VAT on bikes would be a big benefit.
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flecc

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electric bikes are just for lazy people
In reality no individual personal transport is for lazy people. Walking, horse riding, cycling, e-biking, motorcycling and even car driving all require mental and physical effort.

The only transport for lazy people is the one that government promotes, public transport.
 

shemozzle999

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I am sure if the government ever dropped VAT to 5% for Ebikes a few years down the line when they have a big enough take-up of Ebike users the back room boys would come up with a way of clawing back the lost revenue. Aka Diesel engine cars / Diesel fuel price taxing.
 

flecc

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I am sure if the government ever dropped VAT to 5% for Ebikes a few years down the line when they have a big enough take-up of Ebike users the back room boys would come up with a way of clawing back the lost revenue. Aka Diesel engine cars / Diesel fuel price taxing.
Very true. In any case, attractive though the idea of lower VAT may be, I don't think it would do anything for bike or e-bike sales. Those who want them buy them, those who don't want them, don't because they have no desire to cycle, they aren't affected by small changes in prices.

For example, I don't like bling. The jewellery trade could halve their prices and government drop VAT on it as well, but I still wouldn't buy any. The same applies to all consumer products.
 

Rab C Nesbitt

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For example, I don't like bling. The jewellery trade could halve their prices and government drop VAT on it as well, but I still wouldn't buy any. The same applies to all consumer products.
That surprises me that you don't like bling, flecc - I had visions of you cycling around the 'hood' and hanging wid your e-bike 'homies' . . . .

It's obvious I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, isn't it ? :D
 

JuicyBike

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Not so sure myself.

Evidence: After offering interest free credit for 18 months we've only recently had a significant uptake.

Assumption: I do think people are finding purchase of large items more difficult and every little help they can get the better.

Conclusion: I do think a reduction of VAT will help those that need the help, and that in turn will help the government make savings in health, parking, road repairs, etc. etc.

But that's for another topic...
 

carpetbagger

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Lazy people ....i always ride a min or 20 miles upto 62 miles so far,every ride i come back dripping wet averaging over 15mph no matter what the hills i meet are.I do it to improve my fitness,my calves have turn from muscleless to solid muscle.i am fitter now than when i was 16 and i have lost over a stone and i am not doing it to loose weight as that is very much ok....Let me ride against whoever said this and i will make them eat their words !!
 

amigafan2003

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If ebike are for lazy people then what doe that make people who commute to work in cars?

Or people getting the bus - they are even to lazy to drive thier own vehicle!
 

RoadieRoger

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I take it we won`t be donating to the ETA Trust of Weybridge then . I know they were flying a kite , but do they have to go out of their way to upset us with a headline like that ?
 

Eaglerider

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Clearly there is an increasing abundance of lazy people in our midst.

On a ride to Eastbourne at the weekend I saw 6 E-bikes, that's the most I've seen in a day. They all looked very new. The E-Virus is clearly extending it's coverage in these windy times.
 

Cyclic

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Having not properly cycled for many years, my electric bike has got me back into cycling in what is quite a hilly area. Rather than being a free ride I find that I still work hard on the bike but without those peaks of stress as experienced on my old road bike. I just go farther and quicker whilst having steady exercise.

I must say that I am a little fed up of those who say I am cheating using an electric bike when they have travelled to the places I go when they have gone there in a car.
 

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I've just left a comment on their article, let's see if it gets published.

"I’ve had an e-bike on the road for a year; it’s an old MTB I put a conversion kit on – the bike itself was bought new by me two decades ago and it’s like an old pal. The reason I became an e-biker, was that my knees are now fairly knackered after decades of strenuous activity in my job and cycling an unpowered bike was just too painful.
Since the electric hub went on, I’ve been rolling around the country lanes where I live, thinking nothing of nipping down to the village (3.5mls) or the nearest small town (5mls) and very often just going out for a spin as and when I feel like it. I take great pleasure in these trips, as every time I do them I’m building up my legs /back/shoulders a bit and at the same time the car is sitting un-used and not sucking diesel.
I reckon it costs less than two cents to recharge it, for a range of 30miles.
Far from being lazy, an ebike has given me a new lease of cycling life and long may it continue."
 

NRG

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I didn't think the article read in a negative way! It was very positive for e-bikes, David put the case for them over very well IMHO...everyone seems to have got hung up on the lead in title.
 

Wisper Bikes

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Thanks NRG!

You are absolutely correct. The guys at ETA are 100% pro electric bikes but like us all keep getting the same comment from the "e-bike ignorant". They asked me if I would state the case for electric bikes and I obliged, they simply used the controversial title to encourage people to read on! A great piece of publicity for the electric bike community IMO.

All the best

David
 

smudger1956

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I didn't think the article read in a negative way! It was very positive for e-bikes, David put the case for them over very well IMHO...everyone seems to have got hung up on the lead in title.
I agree, marred by the 'negative projection' head line.
 

eddieo

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A provocative attention grabbing title nothing else...But those perceptions regarding our hobby are out there and need to be challenged......Well done David!