905se

[Cyclezee]

I see that The Electric Transport Shop are now selling the Wisper Works 905se for £1200. This would appear to be identical to the bikes you can still import from Germany for a lot less money even though the exchange rate is not quite so favourable as when I imported several of them.
Wisper UK suggested that these German imports were somehow inferior to a UK sourced bike, but have never been able to give a specific answer to where the differences lay
Wisper UK may say that the German (Chinese) bikes warranty is not valid in the UK, but, they only give a 6 month warranty on what is likely to be the most expensive component , namely the battery.
From my experience the Lishen battery fitted to the Wisper is much better than the Ezee Phylion and is unlikely to give any problems during the guarantee period anyway.

The bottom line is if you want to buy a 905se, save yourself hundreds of pounds and get one from Germany. Frank and Dominic are nice people to do business with

John

 

[flecc]

Thanks for the info John. I've no doubt the newer 14 Ah 905se battery is better, the larger capacity and hybrid cathode would virtually guarantee that, even if nothing else had been changed.

That's certainly a very high price for what is a "grey" import, and seems pointless when the UK marketed one with no warranty argument attached is around the same price.

As you say, saving the money makes more sense, except possibly for someone who doesn't want the conversion hassle if that's still necessary.
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[Cyclezee]

The conversion/assembly, after you have done a couple, takes less than 2 hours. Say 4 hours max, don't know what your hourly rate of pay is, but mine isn't £100
I can understand someone not wishing to tackle the job, but provided you are not colour blind and can use an Allen key and a screwdriver, it's not to difficult.
The biggest job I found was swaping the rear mudguard from sports style to fullsize or vice versa. This requires removing the rear wheel, but that is no big deal.
If anyone needs advice on assembling one just PM me

John

 

[frank9755]

Thanks for the info John. I've no doubt the newer 14 Ah 905se battery is better, the larger capacity and hybrid cathode would virtually guarantee that, even if nothing else had been changed.

That's certainly a very high price for what is a "grey" import, and seems pointless when the UK marketed one with no warranty argument attached is around the same price.

As you say, saving the money makes more sense, except possibly for someone who doesn't want the conversion hassle if that's still necessary.
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Two points of clarification:

1. It's not a grey import. David from Wisper posted on this forum that half of their first container of bikes came to the UK. The Electric Transport Shop has been selling them for 6 months. I offered a reward on this forum for anyone who could prove that the two batches of bikes were different and no-one claimed.

2. The battery is great. However it actually says on it 13Ah, not 13.8 or 14 as have been quoted.

Also, I second John's comments on the conversion - it took me about 2 hours. And two more to make a torque arm...!

 

[flecc]

Thanks for the clarification on those points Frank.

I never quite know with David, since it was he who insisted the battery was 14 Ah, and later, more precisely 13.8 Ah. So that's where those numbers came from. Whether there's any truth in them I've no idea, taking his statement in good faith.

Equally, it was he who insisted the bikes were not the same at various times.

Pinch of salt springs to mind.

Maybe I should settle for off-white import and 13.45 Ah.

As I said on conversion, "except possibly for someone who doesn't want the conversion hassle if that's still necessary." Quite a few people who find any bike work difficult would find the prospect offputting.
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[frank9755]

Thanks for the clarification on those points Frank.

I never quite know with David, since it was he who insisted the battery was 14 Ah, and later, more precisely 13.8 Ah. So that's where those numbers came from. Whether there's any truth in them I've no idea, taking his statement in good faith.

Equally, it was he who insisted the bikes were not the same at various times.

Pinch of salt springs to mind.

Maybe I should settle for off-white import and 13.45 Ah.

As I said on conversion, "except possibly for someone who doesn't want the conversion hassle if that's still necessary." Quite a few people who find any bike work difficult would find the prospect offputting.
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Yes there have been some not entirely straightforward strories, but I know they are identical not just because David told us but because I had a lengthy test ride on a UK one at the Electric Transprt Shop. The reward is still available and unclaimed!

I haven't measured my battery in any way and it copes with 25 miles daily full throttle use with lots left over. However, it has 13Ah written on the side in big green letters!

You are right on the conversion - you could do it with your eyes closed but it is fiddly for someone who is not so confident with bicycle DIY. Conversion is probably not the right term; it's really assembly. The Electric Transport Shop will make it up for you if you go to their store but if you buy off their web site I believe they'll send it out in a box requiring exactly the same assembly as the Wisperbikes.de ones.

Frank

 

[flecc]

If you know they're identical, that's good enough for me Frank. I mainly gave some credence to what David said about the battery since he had just been speaking with Lishen and Harvey Mancey of Forte Technologies, Lishen's UK agent, who I've also met. 13 Ah is enough to be far better than 10 though in giving sustained performance with Li-ion.
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[stokepa31]

I'm confused here chaps. German site lists the bike at 1700 euros. 1 euro is now woth 75p so its about £1275. is'nt it cheaper to buy it here? Have I missed something obvious.

going off thread for one moment - ive had my new bike for two months now and I think I am developing an addiction. Trying to find reasons in my mind for the justification to buy anoher one!

perhaps its the element of boy toy involved as my wife has pointed out!!!

 

[flecc]

I understand the low cost ones were offered via ebay by the German supplier.

I owned three e-bikes at one point, but am now struggling to manage with two.

I think Frank just about copes with two, while Aldby (John) has so many he has a van to carry them about.
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[Cyclezee]

I'm confused here chaps. German site lists the bike at 1700 euros. 1 euro is now woth 75p so its about £1275. is'nt it cheaper to buy it here? Have I missed something obvious.

going off thread for one moment - ive had my new bike for two months now and I think I am developing an addiction. Trying to find reasons in my mind for the justification to buy anoher one!

perhaps its the element of boy toy involved as my wife has pointed out!!!

1700 Euros is the shop price, the eBay price is currently £904.47 + 95 Euros for delivery to the UK. So you will see there is still a considerable saving to be made.
As Frank has confirmed it is exactly the same as the UK sourced depsite what Wisper might say.
As for your addiction, be very careful, I have bought 17 in 7 months, think I might be incureable
As for wives, my response to the accusation of spending too much time messing with bikes and on the interweb was to buy her a laptop and tell her it's not as bad as cocaine or alcohol. The last bit might be a lie

John

 

[jimmyengland1000]

Personally, I'm very cautious about believing what David Miall says about the Wisper bikes. He told me that the battery charger is fan cooled and the battery 14 amps and that this accounted for the huge increase in price compared to less than a year ago. I've since heard that the charger isn't, and never has been, fan cooled. That, plus a few other inconsistencies in the information about the bikes makes me rather cautious.