905se photograph link to china
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But their arithmetic isn't very sound!
They think a 36 volt 13Ah battery is 360 watt/hours!
Oh dear, shall I tell them it's actually 468 watt/hours?
Still, it makes a nice change for an e-bike maker to underclaim on a feature!
The battery almost looks small enough to fit into the eZee frame, and that extra capacity would certainly alleviate any cutting out problems under excess load.
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They think a 36 volt 13Ah battery is 360 watt/hours!
Oh dear, shall I tell them it's actually 468 watt/hours?
Still, it makes a nice change for an e-bike maker to underclaim on a feature!
The battery almost looks small enough to fit into the eZee frame, and that extra capacity would certainly alleviate any cutting out problems under excess load.
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Arithmetic or misquote
Are you sure it's not a question of "13Ah" should be "10Ah"?
Seems more likely because it would then be more disappointing!
Peter
Hello Flecc:But their arithmetic isn't very sound!
They think a 36 volt 13Ah battery is 360 watt/hours!
Oh dear, shall I tell them it's actually 468 watt/hours?
Still, it makes a nice change for an e-bike maker to underclaim on a feature!
The battery almost looks small enough to fit into the eZee frame, and that extra capacity would certainly alleviate any cutting out problems under excess load.
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Are you sure
it's not a question of "13Ah" should be "10Ah"?Seems more likely because it would then be more disappointing!
Peter
No Peter, nice idea, but they are to be 13Ah according to David Miall of Wisper here in the UK. Probably their copy writer just didn't have the tech knowledge to realise that changing one number can alter others. Doesn't give much confidence though.
We've noted in the past that the Wisper 905e was a "buy-in", also known as the Knight Rider, and since anyone can buy these in by the container load, they are obviously not exclusive to Wisper here in the UK. 50cycles could buy them in and sell them if they wanted to.
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We've noted in the past that the Wisper 905e was a "buy-in", also known as the Knight Rider, and since anyone can buy these in by the container load, they are obviously not exclusive to Wisper here in the UK. 50cycles could buy them in and sell them if they wanted to.
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torq bike
Surley the torq is shipped in by container from china as well? I dont think any electric bikes are designed or made in the uk. All these companies (wisper and 50cycles etc etc) are just resellers but when you read articles and view their websites i thought they were designed in the uk and simply made in china but it seems the chineese design build and ship out a container to anyone with a credit card ................lol...... in the states the torq is £800 with a bigger motor! over here £1195 we are all being ripped off again!! I have sent two emails to wisper with 'no reply' maybe they are just busy? which makes me worry slightly about backup! 50cycles always respond to emails. The wisper only has a 26 inch wheel where the torq has a 28inch wheel also a more streamline tyre i think.The wisper is a smaller bike i am 6ft 2 so the torq might be better for me i will demo both before i buy and let you know.
No, there is a big difference Basingstoke. 50cycles are the exclusive UK agents for eZee bikes, and from what I've seen they get their bikes in as they order them, the mix and quantities according to their requirements.
The Chings of eZeebike and 50cycles work very closely together and 50cycles feedback information which the Chings use to improve the designs. This is a very close and different relationship from the "buy by container" one.
Having had my Torq repaired at 50cycles by the eZeebike principal, Wai Won Ching, assisted by his design engineer son Ken,and with me present, I'm obviously well aware of just how different this relationship is, and have also had the benefit of a long conversation with Wai Won about the bikes and design points.
You don't get that with a container load order!
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The Chings of eZeebike and 50cycles work very closely together and 50cycles feedback information which the Chings use to improve the designs. This is a very close and different relationship from the "buy by container" one.
Having had my Torq repaired at 50cycles by the eZeebike principal, Wai Won Ching, assisted by his design engineer son Ken,and with me present, I'm obviously well aware of just how different this relationship is, and have also had the benefit of a long conversation with Wai Won about the bikes and design points.
You don't get that with a container load order!
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The container load
What fun reading all these comments!
This is the last time I am going to repeat this on Pedelecs.
1. Doug and I designed the bike.
2. Doug, Frank Heitmeyer, and I own Wisper Electric Vehicle Company Limited.
3. WEVCO have the Wisper Works 905, 905e and 905SE manufactured under license in Shanghai.
For everyones information;
1. The guy on the bike is Dick Lai, he is a WEVCO employee.
2. I bought the advertisement from C & U engineering shanghai who used to own the factory where the bikes are made.
3. All inquiries from the ad come directly to my desk top.
4. Try buying a container!!!!
5. My math is crap! and yes it should be 468 ah (actually it should be 496.8 ah as I have understated the power it should be 13.8a.
5. We have been exhibiting in Germany at Euro bike, and are currently exhibiting at IFMA Cologne.
6. We have Wisper main dealers (like 50 cycles) in 12 countries now selling Wisper bikes (which are owned, manufactured and sold by us!)
7. I love this business.
8. Why does everyone love to knock?
Best regards David
What fun reading all these comments!
This is the last time I am going to repeat this on Pedelecs.
1. Doug and I designed the bike.
2. Doug, Frank Heitmeyer, and I own Wisper Electric Vehicle Company Limited.
3. WEVCO have the Wisper Works 905, 905e and 905SE manufactured under license in Shanghai.
For everyones information;
1. The guy on the bike is Dick Lai, he is a WEVCO employee.
2. I bought the advertisement from C & U engineering shanghai who used to own the factory where the bikes are made.
3. All inquiries from the ad come directly to my desk top.
4. Try buying a container!!!!
5. My math is crap! and yes it should be 468 ah (actually it should be 496.8 ah as I have understated the power it should be 13.8a.
5. We have been exhibiting in Germany at Euro bike, and are currently exhibiting at IFMA Cologne.
6. We have Wisper main dealers (like 50 cycles) in 12 countries now selling Wisper bikes (which are owned, manufactured and sold by us!)
7. I love this business.
8. Why does everyone love to knock?
Best regards David
Be fair David, it says minimum order a container load.
If I go to the eZee site it says nothing of the sort.
What are we to read into that but what it says?
This is not knocking, just seeing what is published and accepting it in good faith, i.e. that we can buy a container load.
P.S. To show there's no malice, tipping you off that there's a query from someone wanting to buy your product in the Wisper Clinic section on this link.
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If I go to the eZee site it says nothing of the sort.
What are we to read into that but what it says?
This is not knocking, just seeing what is published and accepting it in good faith, i.e. that we can buy a container load.
P.S. To show there's no malice, tipping you off that there's a query from someone wanting to buy your product in the Wisper Clinic section on this link.
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David,
Thanks for clarifying, and for the update on Wisper and its rapid expansion.
I remembered you having explained the relationship between WEVCO and your contract manufacturer in a previous satement, but I feel I ought to point out to you that, as a potential customer, the 'made in china' site confused me also. As I'm interested in the 905SE (when it becomes available), I recently did a google search for '905SE'. The 'made in china' site was the top hit (at the time - now this thread is). I felt that site (incorrectly) implied that the Wisper brand was owned by Shanghai C&U Auto Engineering Co.
Clearly it's your brand, you can manage it how you feel best and you have the big picture on your positioning across other markets outside the UK, but I can't imagine that this is the impression that you want to convey to your potential customers.
Is there any news on when the 905SE will be available in the UK? I see you have it on your German site but not the UK one yet. Along with many others, I'm really looking forward to seeing it when it comes out!
Regards,
Frank
Thanks for clarifying, and for the update on Wisper and its rapid expansion.
I remembered you having explained the relationship between WEVCO and your contract manufacturer in a previous satement, but I feel I ought to point out to you that, as a potential customer, the 'made in china' site confused me also. As I'm interested in the 905SE (when it becomes available), I recently did a google search for '905SE'. The 'made in china' site was the top hit (at the time - now this thread is). I felt that site (incorrectly) implied that the Wisper brand was owned by Shanghai C&U Auto Engineering Co.
Clearly it's your brand, you can manage it how you feel best and you have the big picture on your positioning across other markets outside the UK, but I can't imagine that this is the impression that you want to convey to your potential customers.
Is there any news on when the 905SE will be available in the UK? I see you have it on your German site but not the UK one yet. Along with many others, I'm really looking forward to seeing it when it comes out!
Regards,
Frank
Container load
Hi Guys
Thanks for your replies.
As you know we are relatively new to ebike marketing and I take on board all you comments and thank you for them.
The global marketing will be coming together after The Sustainability Show is over (only 6 weeks away now) but if you look at Wisper Bikes you will see what I mean.
Here is a sneak preveiw of the 905se Sport and 905se City
The 905 range is nearly complete now bot will be made up of the 905, 905e 905se Sport and 905se City.
The basic specs will be;
905. 8a 36v Li ion, 180w brushless, no front suspension, 6 gears, basic Shimano bits, no disk brakes, no hand throttle, no mud guards no rack, 18kg price about £585.00
905e. 10a 36v Li ion, 200w brushless, steel front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Alivio bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, sport mud guards, off/on switch on handle bars, 22kg price about £885.00
905se City. 13.8a 36v Li ion, 200w brushless, magnesium front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Deore XT bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, off/on switch on handle bars, full polycarbonate mud guards, rack, 21kg price about £1185.00
905se Sport. 13.8a 36v Li ion, 250w brushless, magnesium front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Deore XT bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, off/on switch on handle bars, off road turbo switch, sport mud guards, 21kg price about £1185.00
If you have any comments I would love to have your opinions.
Finally we have just finished road testing the 13.8a 200w City and achieved 32.5 miles power only on flat out door roads with a 75kg load (rider and weights) The 250w sport is getting 21 miles but can climb wonderfully.
The 905se will be available in two weeks, however as the first container is more than half sold, we are taking orders now (no deposit, no commitment) for people who want first refusal.
Last bit of great news as far as Pedelecs are concerned 14 off, 905se (no throttle) have been ordered by one of the larger UK police forces after having a wide selection of ebikes including the 905e on trial for 6 months. Full details will follow soon with pictures and press release. Their comments were that there were one or two very good bikes on trial but none of them peddled as well as the 905e. Happy days!!
Best regards David
Hi Guys
Thanks for your replies.
As you know we are relatively new to ebike marketing and I take on board all you comments and thank you for them.
The global marketing will be coming together after The Sustainability Show is over (only 6 weeks away now) but if you look at Wisper Bikes you will see what I mean.
Here is a sneak preveiw of the 905se Sport and 905se City
The 905 range is nearly complete now bot will be made up of the 905, 905e 905se Sport and 905se City.
The basic specs will be;
905. 8a 36v Li ion, 180w brushless, no front suspension, 6 gears, basic Shimano bits, no disk brakes, no hand throttle, no mud guards no rack, 18kg price about £585.00
905e. 10a 36v Li ion, 200w brushless, steel front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Alivio bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, sport mud guards, off/on switch on handle bars, 22kg price about £885.00
905se City. 13.8a 36v Li ion, 200w brushless, magnesium front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Deore XT bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, off/on switch on handle bars, full polycarbonate mud guards, rack, 21kg price about £1185.00
905se Sport. 13.8a 36v Li ion, 250w brushless, magnesium front suspension, 7 gears, Shimano Deore XT bits, disk brakes, hand throttle, off/on switch on handle bars, off road turbo switch, sport mud guards, 21kg price about £1185.00
If you have any comments I would love to have your opinions.
Finally we have just finished road testing the 13.8a 200w City and achieved 32.5 miles power only on flat out door roads with a 75kg load (rider and weights) The 250w sport is getting 21 miles but can climb wonderfully.
The 905se will be available in two weeks, however as the first container is more than half sold, we are taking orders now (no deposit, no commitment) for people who want first refusal.
Last bit of great news as far as Pedelecs are concerned 14 off, 905se (no throttle) have been ordered by one of the larger UK police forces after having a wide selection of ebikes including the 905e on trial for 6 months. Full details will follow soon with pictures and press release. Their comments were that there were one or two very good bikes on trial but none of them peddled as well as the 905e. Happy days!!
Best regards David
Hi Flecc
We are offering container loads to new dealers, the reason we say that a minimum quantity is a container is that is keeps people who are not serious from contacting us, we have so many inquiries that we have to keep them down some how, or we can't deal with them all.
Thanks for the tip, I will go there now, sorry I haven't been about, I have been on sales trips all over the place, now that my display business has been sold I can concentrate on Wisper.
Very best regards David
I know there's no malice, just my sense of humor!
We are offering container loads to new dealers, the reason we say that a minimum quantity is a container is that is keeps people who are not serious from contacting us, we have so many inquiries that we have to keep them down some how, or we can't deal with them all.
Thanks for the tip, I will go there now, sorry I haven't been about, I have been on sales trips all over the place, now that my display business has been sold I can concentrate on Wisper.
Very best regards David
Thanks for the explanation David.
That City looks good with it's full equipment, and the higher power Sport should satisfy those who want more performance. Quite a range from just one model and it will be a very fussy person who can't find one to suit!
The only person not looked after is the keen cyclist who doesn't want suspension and disc brakes but likes the 905se City or Sport specifications otherwise.
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That City looks good with it's full equipment, and the higher power Sport should satisfy those who want more performance. Quite a range from just one model and it will be a very fussy person who can't find one to suit!
The only person not looked after is the keen cyclist who doesn't want suspension and disc brakes but likes the 905se City or Sport specifications otherwise.
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Colour
All the best David
The 905e was all black well before Ezee used the same colour, maybe they should have chosen a different colourYes at first glance it does look like the latest ezee bike perhaps they should have used a different colour but still its the specs that will be important
All the best David
Models
We are looking at bringing production into Europe next year, if and when we do we will offer a complete bespoke service.
Best regards David
I know Flecc you are absolutly correct but instead of just 4 models we would end up with 144!
We are looking at bringing production into Europe next year, if and when we do we will offer a complete bespoke service.
Best regards David
Bespoke builds
I agree. The manufacturer that can provide a bespoke build for a reasonable fee would be a step ahead of the competition. Of course that would all depend on the degree of adaptation.
I think the new range looks great, hopefully I'll get to try some of them soon-ish.
David, can I ask, was there a reason why the City wont come with the 250W motor?
John
I agree. The manufacturer that can provide a bespoke build for a reasonable fee would be a step ahead of the competition. Of course that would all depend on the degree of adaptation.
I think the new range looks great, hopefully I'll get to try some of them soon-ish.
David, can I ask, was there a reason why the City wont come with the 250W motor?
John
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