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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Some sites update hourly. A couple of sites have a rolling count going up with rate of daily vaccines. Its over figure shown above.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Most. Its why they are in power. But lots claim to be labour until they put cross on paper..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55454146 Suppose it depends how it is measured. Either way Trump and or Covid have brought it forward. UK has vaccinated 6.3 million. Both data streams say that OG??? (roughly 14% of targeted population, 20 million or so will not be receiving jab...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55788359 Worrying developments in the China/Taiwan saga. Chinese bombers in Taiwan Airspace, American fleet in South China Sea. Also more fighting on Indian/Chinese border?? More clamp downs in Hong Kong... Has China been racking things up under Covid...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, UK has vaccinated just over 10% of population. Our local mvc opens this morning. (Sheffield Arena)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Great idea..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have permanent AF, I contacted consultant he said same. "we don't know" but told me to be careful but you don't have to shield. Brilliant I thought. WTF. Surgery says it does not alter my risk group..??? But same "be careful".. So I asked them "should I shield" No... I, ll be careful then...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed Jesus. There is that much BS and misinformation nobody knows what to think. I went from thinking delay was OK, to worst idea imaginable and now back to somewhere in between the 2. Hope Witty is right, he was sticking to his guns other day.. If you think about fact 80% are reasonably OK...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's my point tho flecc, we do not know the criteria for success. A) Were 91% not infected. (impossible) B) Were 91% not hospitalised? C) Were 91% not seriously ill? D) Were 91% asymptomatic? I suspect C, but since nobody says the figures are almost useless and real world figures can not be...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't think FT would change figures and they claim they are the ones reported to them from Israel. (actual figures for doctors and nurses vaccinated) Are are you saying Times lie now. Might as well close the lot if Times are lying. Criteria for success in real world (not trials) are important...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Probably a lot of grumpy uncooperative 80 Yr olds in London.? To be fair it's not fair. You, d guess with folk being geographically closer job would be easier. All 3 70 plus Yr olds in my family have had jab or having it today...!!!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4d9fe80d-e604-4bbe-b0f8-fd4b8df9b7f1 Again rather different to Guardian. (89% after 14 days rising to 91 after 21) (Headline is.. Israel finds single jab gives high resistance)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't agree. Guardian reported and highlighted the 33% for a reason. Their report instigated a lot of worry about the vaccine and was a planned route to undermine the vaccine strategy. Guardian is a disgrace.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You have a point flecc. But to be honest I, d rather me wait and daughter get hers. Many in all age groups have to carry on putting themselves at risk. I don't. So I can wait. I, d rather see health, emergency services etc etc vaccinated first. Whichever way you review it our 7% of population...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed but which one is lying... Guardian tells us 33%, mail tells us 89%..We,ve been moaning about fake news on Social media yet our press distribute lies. Can't possibly both be right. And to be fair the exact %age after 14 days is almost irrelevant with a discrepancy between 33% and 89%.. 33...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9180103/Chris-Whittys-fury-Guardian-total-nonsense-claim-Pfizer-vaccine-33-effective.html Rather different from Guardian's reporting..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Airports are the place for bringing folk down to earth though.??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Our local school is running at 65% attendance.. If parents say the must work... Kids go to school. Sort of proves teachers are more child minders than educators.. But to be fair we are doing OK as a town. We only have 8 (from 14, 2 weeks ago) in ICU and 88 (down from 114) on wards.. (wonder how...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    He already does that..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.. Disinformation is the root of too many problems, about time they clamped down. Doubt they will be banning pedelec forum, my windsurf group or F1 blog. Mind you there are some we, d be better off without..