Electric Scooters

flecc

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If you read their site it doesn't SAY that you must be able to pedal it :)
The courts have ruled illegal all scooters with pedals that are not practical to use. This has mainly affected pavement scooters, moped style scooters like these can be legal if they can be pedalled to practical effect.

Because this process is very expensive, there is an exclusion for some electric bikes, which do not need Type Approval. To avoid it, the cycle must be under 250W continuous power, 25km/h maximum assisted speed, and must have a pedal sensor which cuts the motor when the rider stops pedalling.

In addition, the UK also has regulations about the construction of electric bikes which are used on UK roads - basically, they have to be constructed to the same standards as non-electric cycles, to comply with BS6102 part 1.
 

morphix

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How legal are electric scooters?

There are many available but I am sure that i have read that there have been cases where the courts have ruled that the pedals are only ornamental rather than practical.

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I looked into this very question last year when I was dead set on buying one... It seemed to be a big grey area despite the fact some fully meet the criteria of a lawful electric bicycle... I contacted my local police station to see what the vibe was..

They told me what I suspected... although the bikes are legal if the pedals work and the motor is restricted to 15mph, to the police its very confusing and they will be very likely to keep stopping you to check it over cuz it looks so much like a moped and has no reg number plates. The police advised me against me buying one. But if you're not bothered about being stopped just go ahead.

One other thing to consider (big thing) is that you probably wouldn't want to be owning one unless you plan to use it strictly only on the roads..I can imagine problems if you started using one on pavements, and I'm not sure where you would stand with the police.
 
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the_killjoy

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Its just I was on another board where someone was thinking of buying one and although they had read the link to the site they obviously hadn't picked up on all the implications and kept complaining they couldn't find one that did more than 20mph.

As is said above it is a grey area especially as to whether the pedals meet the criteria that they can be pedalled to practical effect.This judgement is always going to down, initially, to the policeman who stops you, who would want the bother of arguing about it in court.
 

flecc

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Some use similar without problems, member Synthman owns and uses a moped style e-bike.

Here's the photo of it that he posted on this link:

 

morphix

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Some use similar without problems, member Synthman owns and uses a moped style e-bike.

Here's the photo of it that he posted on this link:

Looks like a very comfortable thing to ride, but at first glance it looks so much like a moped you can understand why the police would be perplexed if the traffic cops saw one pass!

When I contacted the police they didn't even know at first. The officer who replied said to be honest I don't know I'm going to have it check into this and get back to you. He took about 2 days and got back to me and even then he said himself its a grey area as to whether it would have the same usage as a bicycle, i.e. on pavements.

The other thing too..just how functional are the pedals? I mean, sure they work, but I imagine these things weigh a ton..would it be practical to pedal one if the battery runs flat?
 
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flecc

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The single speed pedal gearing is usually very low, so they can be pedalled at low speeds and also for low speed assistance to the motor on hills. Not something I would want to do for long though.

I never expect the police to know much about laws outside of the obvious criminal ones, even the courts are surprising ignorant on most things. Only a lawyer's research or the knowledge of those most concerned in a particular field can be relied on. This forum is the best place to check the law on e-bikes.
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Synthman

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As Flecc points out, I have been riding that bike since February 2010, so nearly 2 years.

I have been stopped by the police twice, but not specifically because of the bike.

1: One night I got pulled in the city centre. They alleged that I went through a red light. It actually turned red as I passed it. They also breathalised me because I was in the area of all the nightclubs but I passed, and they let me keep the tube as a 'souvenir' apparently. Very little was said about the bike, although they kept referring it to as "like the one in Banbury" and had no idea what speed it was supposed to do, the copper reckoned 30mph!

2: The second time I got pulled with a passenger, who wasn't wearing a helmet. As soon as they realised the bike was electric they disappeared.

I ride past police all the time, one even asked me if he could have a go once, without issues. I've only seen one other person riding a bike like mine, but it was a 24 volt version and a lot slower. I do see a lot of regular e-bikes as well and frequently see a bloke riding a Powacycle/Powabyke, and lots of older women riding them, but never close to the 15mph limit though. I've also seen a proper electric scooter being ridden around.

As for the pedals, I have a lengthy answer.

When I first got the bike, the chain seemed very slack, and would jump off if I tried pedalling it. Since I had a new freewheel fitted in summer, they sorted the chain and I can now pedal it. I find it quite useful on standing starts, especially on a hill, and can easily beat cars until they are well in 2nd gear, and all other cyclists until the speed tops out. Also on hills, if I put effort in it goes quite quick (over 10mph) but I can't maintain that effort for long. The single gear isn't very efficient. If I try pedalling as fast as the pedals will go when the speed maxes out (between 15 and 20mph) then I can only just feel the chain engaging.

Without the motor assistance, it is very tricky to get the bike moving, but once its moving, I can pedal at double the walking pace for a short distance before getting tired. On smooth road surface on level ground it isn't too bad actually, but very few places here are like that. I therefore wouldn't suggest pedalling these bikes without power, although a better cyclist than me could do a better job.

Like pedelecs, you can also disable the throttle and set it so the motor comes on when you pedal, but you don't get the fine control of speed and power as you do with the throttle.

It is relatively comfortable for me (63kg 5'7") although the seat is starting to feel very hard now. However it is still much more comfortable than the majority of bike saddles I've sat on, and is the main reason I went for that bike. It can also cope with a passenger of my size for short distances, though the seat is too small and it feels cramped.

I use it for short trips in the city (up to 5 miles each way) and frequently carry heavy large loads on it. If it could be fitted with a trailer and had a bit more power it would be perfect. Today I had a 14kg microwave on the back, just like a few months ago, and still have space on the floorboards for more items!

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Electric bike negotiating heavy traffic on Botley Road, Oxford - YouTube
 

amigafan2003

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He took about 2 days and got back to me and even then he said himself its a grey area as to whether it would have the same usage as a bicycle, i.e. on pavements.
The thing is though, it's not a grey area. He only said that because he doesn't know what he's talking about. Anything a copper doesn't know is considered by them to be a "grey area" :rolleyes: